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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost" data-source="post: 3726568" data-attributes="member: 4720"><p>Define "good enough." <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> That's essentially what this entire argument has been about, regardless of what bad examples and strawmen both sides have brought up.</p><p></p><p>In Saga, "good enough" means "I will fail ~90% of checks when there are enemies near my level in the mix."</p><p></p><p>However, it is being portrayed as "I am good at everything" by those who oppose the system.</p><p></p><p>Speaking of bad examples....</p><p></p><p>Chewie didn't bluff anyone. It was Han and Luke who did the disguising and bluffing. Incidentally, if we MUST be dogmatic about it, they made their disguise checks and any bluff checks that might have happened off-screen, but failed the only bluff check we saw them make against the commander in the cell block. Again, if we were going to apply Saga rules, if that commander was 2 levels lower than them or higher, he would almost certainly have won the opposed check, which he did.</p><p></p><p>What I have yet to see anyone explain cogently.... why is this a problem? If I'm a level 10 character, using a skill I've been exposed to and perhaps coached in by my adventuring buddies, is it entirely beyond reason that I would win opposed checks against level 1-5 or so characters who are also not trained in the skill? Is it also entirely beyond reason that being a seasoned adventurer might have taught me enough tricks to have an even chance of parity at mundane tasks with a trained neophyte (level 1 person)? This trained neophyte is STILL going to mop the floor with me in complicated tasks, since <em>I can't even attempt them untrained</em>.</p><p></p><p>Seriously. One attempt at telling me why that makes no sense would be nice.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost, post: 3726568, member: 4720"] Define "good enough." :) That's essentially what this entire argument has been about, regardless of what bad examples and strawmen both sides have brought up. In Saga, "good enough" means "I will fail ~90% of checks when there are enemies near my level in the mix." However, it is being portrayed as "I am good at everything" by those who oppose the system. Speaking of bad examples.... Chewie didn't bluff anyone. It was Han and Luke who did the disguising and bluffing. Incidentally, if we MUST be dogmatic about it, they made their disguise checks and any bluff checks that might have happened off-screen, but failed the only bluff check we saw them make against the commander in the cell block. Again, if we were going to apply Saga rules, if that commander was 2 levels lower than them or higher, he would almost certainly have won the opposed check, which he did. What I have yet to see anyone explain cogently.... why is this a problem? If I'm a level 10 character, using a skill I've been exposed to and perhaps coached in by my adventuring buddies, is it entirely beyond reason that I would win opposed checks against level 1-5 or so characters who are also not trained in the skill? Is it also entirely beyond reason that being a seasoned adventurer might have taught me enough tricks to have an even chance of parity at mundane tasks with a trained neophyte (level 1 person)? This trained neophyte is STILL going to mop the floor with me in complicated tasks, since [i]I can't even attempt them untrained[/i]. Seriously. One attempt at telling me why that makes no sense would be nice. [/QUOTE]
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