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Message: <blockquote data-quote="anton1066" data-source="post: 3726763" data-attributes="member: 31872">I think most of the arguments being made are rather unfair. Yeah, so a 20th level barbarian who has had no 'training' in diplomacy is equal to a first level paladin who has focused on it. Whats the big deal? That +10 means that they can both talk their way bast a few city guards without trouble, but that really isn't a problem for the barbarian. He wont use that +10 except for stuff that is well beneath him. Remember D&D is a world of the fantastic. If you get to 20th level you ARE better then 99% of everyone out there at everything. No one bats on eye when a 20th level wizard can beat up a 1st level fighter in a fight with only weapons, 'cause the wizard is friggin 20th level. My point is this, the 1/2 level benefit does not scale with the challenges you should throw at the party. if you require skill checks, they should be challenging to people that have invested no resources into something, and moderately easy for someone who has. We need to think of non combat encounters the same way we think of combat encounters. That is, they have their own difficulty range that is related to the level of the parties involved and the amount of resources they have invested into them. If you read any D&D fiction, you will notice that all the heroes 'know a little something about everything'. The D&D world is a world where dungeoneering is a knowledge that you can learn about and adventure is an acceptable profession. To give an example, i would find it very tedious if a 20th level wizard could only sneak past a couple of first level thugs by casting invisibility. But as a DM i would only use an encounter like that to showcase how super cool the wizard is, no to provide a challenge to the wizard. Now if the wizard wants to sneak past a couple of balors, thats another story. only a master thiefe could do that without magic.</blockquote>

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