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<blockquote data-quote="Ristamar" data-source="post: 330548" data-attributes="member: 1207"><p>I think he makes some good points, but I still find it lacking.</p><p></p><p>I won't argue that the potential for 'breakdown' at high level play is far greater than at low levels. However, pointing out one (arguably) poorly designed monster isn't a very good basis for the argument considering the intimidating number of contingencies and variables the DM must consider during high level play.</p><p></p><p>I also don't think this creature vastly outstrips character abilities of equal level. Granted, it won't be easily defeated using the usual tactics, but that's part of the fun of high level play, isn't it? Now if every high level creature the DM threw at the players was as wonky as the Effigy, I'd agree that there is a problem. But isolating a single encounter as a crux in a rant against high level play is silly, IMO. </p><p></p><p>Of course, if the whole point was to say, 'Use monsters/encounters that utterly neutralize character abilities sparingly, at best,' then I wholeheartedly agree with him. Still, that advice is in the DMG, and applies to all levels of play, not just the high levels. Maybe that's why the rant threw me off a bit.... or maybe I didn't get enough sleep last night. *shrug* <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>BTW, Wil, sorry I missed you guys at GenCon this year. I was talking with Lem a few days ago, discussing the possibility of hooking up at Winter Fantasy in Indiana. Any chance you might be there?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ristamar, post: 330548, member: 1207"] I think he makes some good points, but I still find it lacking. I won't argue that the potential for 'breakdown' at high level play is far greater than at low levels. However, pointing out one (arguably) poorly designed monster isn't a very good basis for the argument considering the intimidating number of contingencies and variables the DM must consider during high level play. I also don't think this creature vastly outstrips character abilities of equal level. Granted, it won't be easily defeated using the usual tactics, but that's part of the fun of high level play, isn't it? Now if every high level creature the DM threw at the players was as wonky as the Effigy, I'd agree that there is a problem. But isolating a single encounter as a crux in a rant against high level play is silly, IMO. Of course, if the whole point was to say, 'Use monsters/encounters that utterly neutralize character abilities sparingly, at best,' then I wholeheartedly agree with him. Still, that advice is in the DMG, and applies to all levels of play, not just the high levels. Maybe that's why the rant threw me off a bit.... or maybe I didn't get enough sleep last night. *shrug* ;) BTW, Wil, sorry I missed you guys at GenCon this year. I was talking with Lem a few days ago, discussing the possibility of hooking up at Winter Fantasy in Indiana. Any chance you might be there? [/QUOTE]
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