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<blockquote data-quote="Sonofapreacherman" data-source="post: 341738" data-attributes="member: 2315">The problem isn't the monster, it's the CR systemBut I never made that assumption Victim. You did. No offense, but I think you're missing the point. Nobody is saying that a monster or character must use &quot;all&quot; of their special abilities at the same time. In fact, I *just* finished expressing the exact opposite sentiment. Once again, it doesn't matter that a creature was dispatched in 1 round before they could bring all of their might to bear. The danger (Challenge Rating Factors) of that monster is inherent in the threatening *number* of choices available to them.Precisely my earlier point.&quot;Basically, for almost every generic special ability, spell power level, or extraordinary item, there would be a counter-acting force that *cancels out* their Challenge Rating Factors (all dependant on whichever abilities and items the party currently possesses).&quot;Using your example, we are talking about two things; spell power level and combat power level. If you didn't catch that implication at first, there would be scaled Challenge Rating Factors for different levels of spell or combat power.I already addressed your first point, but as for the second, characters and monsters do not have to be *good* at using their abilities. In fact, they can be *bad* at using them. Their Challenge Rating Factors stem from the raw abilities they possess; or the potential of those abilities. Not whether they use their abilities competently. If they don't, that's their own fault. The opportunity to effectively use their abilities exists. That's all that matters when determining Challenge Rating Factors and their counting-acting forces.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sonofapreacherman, post: 341738, member: 2315"] [b]The problem isn't the monster, it's the CR system[/b] But I never made that assumption Victim. You did. No offense, but I think you're missing the point. Nobody is saying that a monster or character must use "all" of their special abilities at the same time. In fact, I *just* finished expressing the exact opposite sentiment. Once again, it doesn't matter that a creature was dispatched in 1 round before they could bring all of their might to bear. The danger (Challenge Rating Factors) of that monster is inherent in the threatening *number* of choices available to them. Precisely my earlier point. [i]"Basically, for almost every generic special ability, spell power level, or extraordinary item, there would be a counter-acting force that *cancels out* their Challenge Rating Factors (all dependant on whichever abilities and items the party currently possesses)."[/i] Using your example, we are talking about two things; spell power level and combat power level. If you didn't catch that implication at first, there would be scaled Challenge Rating Factors for different levels of spell or combat power. I already addressed your first point, but as for the second, characters and monsters do not have to be *good* at using their abilities. In fact, they can be *bad* at using them. Their Challenge Rating Factors stem from the raw abilities they possess; or the potential of those abilities. Not whether they use their abilities competently. If they don't, that's their own fault. The opportunity to effectively use their abilities exists. That's all that matters when determining Challenge Rating Factors and their counting-acting forces. [/QUOTE]

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