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<blockquote data-quote="allenw" data-source="post: 1466627" data-attributes="member: 12992"><p>Thanks for your reply, even though I disagree with it. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p> Personally, I think the trumpet archon is also mis-CRed, though not as badly; at least in its case, its hit points and BAB aren't vastly greater than a 14th-level Human cleric, while the same is not true for a Violet Slaad and a 16th-level Sorcerer. Also, the Trumpet Archon has only 1/3 the gear of a 14th-level NPC, while a Violet Slaad has over 2/3 the gear of a 16th-level NPC.</p><p> On your other points:</p><p> 1: The odds of encountering a Violet Slaad outside of Limbo seem remote, so I think Stabilize Limbo (and Creation) should count towards CR.</p><p> 2: A Sorcerer *has* no "class abilities" apart from Spells and a Familiar. And I don't think that a Familiar stacks up well (CR-wise) vs. Augmented Summon Slaad and Decomposition, to say nothing of:</p><p>At will- chaos hammer(DC 21), detect thoughts (DC 19), dispel law (DC 22), finger of death (DC 24), fireball (DC 20), identify, magic circle against law, passwall, see invisibility, telekinesis (DC 22), tongues 3/day- animate objects, cloak of chaos (DC 25), great shout (DC 25), word of chaos (DC 24) 1/day- power word (blind). Caster level 18th.</p><p> 3: All of the spells you mention would indeed be useful for Death Slaad Sor-8. And they (and many others) could all *also* be taken by a Violet Slaad, for at least as much utility, and cast more frequently. Yes, the Violet lacks Implosion, but it's still got at-will Finger of Death and Fireball, 3 CL-18 Words of Chaos a day, and one Power Word (Blind) a day, plus Decomposition. And its natural attacks are also better than a Death Slaad's (though lacking the "stun," which I don't recall if Death Slaadi kept in 3.5).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="allenw, post: 1466627, member: 12992"] Thanks for your reply, even though I disagree with it. ;) Personally, I think the trumpet archon is also mis-CRed, though not as badly; at least in its case, its hit points and BAB aren't vastly greater than a 14th-level Human cleric, while the same is not true for a Violet Slaad and a 16th-level Sorcerer. Also, the Trumpet Archon has only 1/3 the gear of a 14th-level NPC, while a Violet Slaad has over 2/3 the gear of a 16th-level NPC. On your other points: 1: The odds of encountering a Violet Slaad outside of Limbo seem remote, so I think Stabilize Limbo (and Creation) should count towards CR. 2: A Sorcerer *has* no "class abilities" apart from Spells and a Familiar. And I don't think that a Familiar stacks up well (CR-wise) vs. Augmented Summon Slaad and Decomposition, to say nothing of: At will- chaos hammer(DC 21), detect thoughts (DC 19), dispel law (DC 22), finger of death (DC 24), fireball (DC 20), identify, magic circle against law, passwall, see invisibility, telekinesis (DC 22), tongues 3/day- animate objects, cloak of chaos (DC 25), great shout (DC 25), word of chaos (DC 24) 1/day- power word (blind). Caster level 18th. 3: All of the spells you mention would indeed be useful for Death Slaad Sor-8. And they (and many others) could all *also* be taken by a Violet Slaad, for at least as much utility, and cast more frequently. Yes, the Violet lacks Implosion, but it's still got at-will Finger of Death and Fireball, 3 CL-18 Words of Chaos a day, and one Power Word (Blind) a day, plus Decomposition. And its natural attacks are also better than a Death Slaad's (though lacking the "stun," which I don't recall if Death Slaadi kept in 3.5). [/QUOTE]
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