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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7871077" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>So many people have been!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I somewhat subscribe to them, but I find your definitions to be examples of "alignment first, personality second", which I think is a fundamentally flawed approach that is the absolutely direct cause of 99% of problems experienced relating to alignment in D&D.</p><p></p><p>Also, neither Amos nor Miller fit well into any of those, because they're too extreme and abstract-alignment focused yet both are clearly Chaotic characters by any standard, which to me, proves my point. Real people, hell, even trope-y characters who are far more simple than real people, rarely have their moral and ethical ducks in a line anywhere near as well your examples, all of which seem like philosophical ideals, not ways people actually act.</p><p></p><p>Another way to put is that a person with the beliefs you outline would most certainly be that alignment, but there are tons of people with that alignment, who don't have those beliefs. This is particularly true re: CN - not every CN person will be the sort of anarchist (in the true sense) you describe. Indeed, a CN person may well THINK society should be run in some extremely orderly way, but simply ACT in a way that is extremely individualist. Not everyone matches up their ideal society, or the society they say they value, or believe they value, with their own behaviour.</p><p></p><p>This is incredibly obvious IRL I would suggest. Everyone knows people who have wonderful ideas for how society should be, but who behave terribly, or are have a horrifying vision of individualist anarchy as their ideal, but are an extremely kind, social, and organised person. If you don't believe this try working in the charity sector, especially with protest-oriented charities (on either the left or the right, I should note).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's some truth in this but I think Neutrals aren't necessarily coasters, but equally people who feel like the organisation should probably do what they suggest, rather than doing what it normally does. They'll go along until the organisation conflicts with their G or E (and/or personal stuff, particularly for N). They may well think they can reshape the organisation - which is almost the opposite of coasting and hoping no-one notices them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7871077, member: 18"] So many people have been! I somewhat subscribe to them, but I find your definitions to be examples of "alignment first, personality second", which I think is a fundamentally flawed approach that is the absolutely direct cause of 99% of problems experienced relating to alignment in D&D. Also, neither Amos nor Miller fit well into any of those, because they're too extreme and abstract-alignment focused yet both are clearly Chaotic characters by any standard, which to me, proves my point. Real people, hell, even trope-y characters who are far more simple than real people, rarely have their moral and ethical ducks in a line anywhere near as well your examples, all of which seem like philosophical ideals, not ways people actually act. Another way to put is that a person with the beliefs you outline would most certainly be that alignment, but there are tons of people with that alignment, who don't have those beliefs. This is particularly true re: CN - not every CN person will be the sort of anarchist (in the true sense) you describe. Indeed, a CN person may well THINK society should be run in some extremely orderly way, but simply ACT in a way that is extremely individualist. Not everyone matches up their ideal society, or the society they say they value, or believe they value, with their own behaviour. This is incredibly obvious IRL I would suggest. Everyone knows people who have wonderful ideas for how society should be, but who behave terribly, or are have a horrifying vision of individualist anarchy as their ideal, but are an extremely kind, social, and organised person. If you don't believe this try working in the charity sector, especially with protest-oriented charities (on either the left or the right, I should note). There's some truth in this but I think Neutrals aren't necessarily coasters, but equally people who feel like the organisation should probably do what they suggest, rather than doing what it normally does. They'll go along until the organisation conflicts with their G or E (and/or personal stuff, particularly for N). They may well think they can reshape the organisation - which is almost the opposite of coasting and hoping no-one notices them. [/QUOTE]
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