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<blockquote data-quote="Iron Sheep" data-source="post: 1918948" data-attributes="member: 4965"><p>No, it's not my argument that oppression is de-facto evil in D&D. The rules state it quite explicitly. From the SRD:</p><p></p><p><em>“Evil” implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others.</em></p><p></p><p>I am simply arguing that <em>by the rules as written</em> slavery is Evil in D&D.</p><p></p><p>If you believe that I have claimed that "simple oppression" is insufficient for an absolute alignment system, you have misunderstood what I am saying. I am claiming that by any reasonable definition of the words, slavery oppresses people, and by the definitions written in the game, that makes it Evil.</p><p></p><p>I am not arguing that the D&D alignment is a perfect absolute alignment system. I am not arguing whether there are reasonable definitions of Neutral acts where slave owning may fall into that classification under some circumstances. I am simply saying that unless you are house-ruling alignment, slavery is (D&D) Evil.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, if you go back and read my earlier posts, you will see that I do not consider just the American system. The Roman system strikes me as boiling down to the same three core components. You may be able to find a historical system where slavery boils down to "just" false imprisonment and forced labour. That still makes it pretty oppressive by my book.</p><p></p><p>You can be free to define Good and Evil however you want in your D&D game, but it seems to me to be a fairly straightforward argument that <em>in the rules as written</em> owning slaves is generally an Evil act, no matter how well society protects them.</p><p></p><p>Corran</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Iron Sheep, post: 1918948, member: 4965"] No, it's not my argument that oppression is de-facto evil in D&D. The rules state it quite explicitly. From the SRD: [I]“Evil” implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others.[/I] I am simply arguing that [I]by the rules as written[/I] slavery is Evil in D&D. If you believe that I have claimed that "simple oppression" is insufficient for an absolute alignment system, you have misunderstood what I am saying. I am claiming that by any reasonable definition of the words, slavery oppresses people, and by the definitions written in the game, that makes it Evil. I am not arguing that the D&D alignment is a perfect absolute alignment system. I am not arguing whether there are reasonable definitions of Neutral acts where slave owning may fall into that classification under some circumstances. I am simply saying that unless you are house-ruling alignment, slavery is (D&D) Evil. Again, if you go back and read my earlier posts, you will see that I do not consider just the American system. The Roman system strikes me as boiling down to the same three core components. You may be able to find a historical system where slavery boils down to "just" false imprisonment and forced labour. That still makes it pretty oppressive by my book. You can be free to define Good and Evil however you want in your D&D game, but it seems to me to be a fairly straightforward argument that [I]in the rules as written[/I] owning slaves is generally an Evil act, no matter how well society protects them. Corran [/QUOTE]
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