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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4396130" data-attributes="member: 1656">I'll use Hypnotic Pattern, because it contains a key word we can use to adjudicate Hypnotic Pattern, and generalise from there to cover similar spells.&quot;Roll 2d4 and add your caster level (maximum 10) to determine the total number of Hit Dice of creatures affected. Creatures with the fewest HD are affected first; and, among creatures with equal HD, those who are closest to the spell’s point of origin are affected first. Hit Dice that are not sufficient to affect a creature are wasted. Affected creatures become fascinated by the pattern of colors.&quot;Let's say I roll a total of 9 on my 2d4+x.&nbsp; Thus, I know that the total number of Hit Dice affected is 9.First, the DM rolls a saving throw for an orc near the point of origin of the spell.&nbsp; The orc saves; the save negates; the orc is not fascinated by the pattern of colours.&nbsp; Since he is not fascinated by the pattern of colours, he is not an &quot;affected creature&quot;; thus, the orc's hit dice do not count towards the total of hit dice affected.Next, the DM calls for a spell penetration check vs the drow in the spell's area.&nbsp; The check fails; per the text of Spell Resistance, &quot;If the caster fails the check, the spell doesn’t affect the creature&quot;.&nbsp; So we know that the spell doesn't affect the drow; we also know, since the drow is not fascinated by the pattern of colours, that the drow is not an &quot;affected creature&quot;.&nbsp; For both of these reasons, the drow's hit dice are not hit dice affected, and don't count towards the total.&nbsp; There are still 9 hit dice of spell available for affecting, so we move on to the next creature...So for Hypnotic Pattern, due to the &quot;Affected creatures do X&quot; language, we know that creatures who save to negate the effect are not counted towards the total; by extension, we can assume the same holds for Sleep and Circle of Death.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4396130, member: 1656"] I'll use Hypnotic Pattern, because it contains a key word we can use to adjudicate Hypnotic Pattern, and generalise from there to cover similar spells. "[i]Roll 2d4 and add your caster level (maximum 10) to determine the total number of Hit Dice of creatures affected. Creatures with the fewest HD are affected first; and, among creatures with equal HD, those who are closest to the spell’s point of origin are affected first. Hit Dice that are not sufficient to affect a creature are wasted. Affected creatures become fascinated by the pattern of colors.[/i]" Let's say I roll a total of 9 on my 2d4+x. Thus, I know that the total number of Hit Dice affected is 9. First, the DM rolls a saving throw for an orc near the point of origin of the spell. The orc saves; the save negates; the orc is not fascinated by the pattern of colours. Since he is not fascinated by the pattern of colours, he is not an "affected creature"; thus, the orc's hit dice do not count towards the total of hit dice affected. Next, the DM calls for a spell penetration check vs the drow in the spell's area. The check fails; per the text of Spell Resistance, "If the caster fails the check, the spell doesn’t affect the creature". So we know that the spell doesn't affect the drow; we also know, since the drow is not fascinated by the pattern of colours, that the drow is not an "affected creature". For both of these reasons, the drow's hit dice are not hit dice affected, and don't count towards the total. There are still 9 hit dice of spell available for affecting, so we move on to the next creature... So for Hypnotic Pattern, due to the "Affected creatures do X" language, we know that creatures who save to negate the effect are not counted towards the total; by extension, we can assume the same holds for Sleep and Circle of Death. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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