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<blockquote data-quote="Tilenas" data-source="post: 4396692" data-attributes="member: 71414"><p>It's B.</p><p>The Area entry indicates who is <em>affected</em> by the spell.</p><p>Now, what does affected mean? </p><p>Answer: It determines who has to roll a saving throw. If the sleep spell affects 4 HD worth of creatures, it's the lowest HD creature + second to lowest HD creature +... until you can't fit anymore targets within these 4 HD. If all those creatures make their save, it's tough luck for you. </p><p><em>Affected</em> does <strong>not</strong> mean that you roll saves for everyone in the radius and stop once 4 HD worth of creatures have failed their saves. I take this interpretation (as in opion A) as being inconsistent with the magic rules, as the saving throw is normally made <strong>after</strong> all spell parameters have been set (the save is a means of determining the outcome of the spell). To let the outcome modify the parameters is just weird.</p><p>However, houseruling it so that <em>affected</em> refers to all creatures who failed their save is alright, but beware that this makes this type of spell considerably more powerful. </p><p>For the sleep spell, it means that up to 12 creatures will have to make a save. The chance to take out a certain number of HD is much greater than preselecting the creatures affected and rolling saves for them only.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tilenas, post: 4396692, member: 71414"] It's B. The Area entry indicates who is [I]affected[/I] by the spell. Now, what does affected mean? Answer: It determines who has to roll a saving throw. If the sleep spell affects 4 HD worth of creatures, it's the lowest HD creature + second to lowest HD creature +... until you can't fit anymore targets within these 4 HD. If all those creatures make their save, it's tough luck for you. [I]Affected[/I] does [B]not[/B] mean that you roll saves for everyone in the radius and stop once 4 HD worth of creatures have failed their saves. I take this interpretation (as in opion A) as being inconsistent with the magic rules, as the saving throw is normally made [B]after[/B] all spell parameters have been set (the save is a means of determining the outcome of the spell). To let the outcome modify the parameters is just weird. However, houseruling it so that [I]affected[/I] refers to all creatures who failed their save is alright, but beware that this makes this type of spell considerably more powerful. For the sleep spell, it means that up to 12 creatures will have to make a save. The chance to take out a certain number of HD is much greater than preselecting the creatures affected and rolling saves for them only. [/QUOTE]
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