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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5412983" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>I think the reroll elf is a good concept. Wisdom is good for OoI and if you can get an item that also tosses on a save penalty and there's also a feat that actually still gives a penalty on ALL saves, not just the first (but it is a small penalty -2 IIRC). So maybe at level 6 pick up that feat (Spell Mastery IIRC isn't it?). </p><p></p><p>The nice thing about this is it is great not only for things like Sleep but it also benefits you in any situation where you want to hit badly, usually with a daily. With say an 18 Wis at level 6 you could be hitting with really high accuracy and imposing a -6 or so to saves. That gives you almost a 50/50 chance of putting a solo to sleep, which is pretty close to "I win". Doing some delaying tricks and whatnot can optimize the effect. With a group of several weaker enemies it is still pretty effective. At level 5 you can pick up Stinking Cloud or something like that (Visions of Avarice kicks butt too). The reroll stuff can be applied to that as well. It can even be used with various encounter spells in a pinch.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5412983, member: 82106"] I think the reroll elf is a good concept. Wisdom is good for OoI and if you can get an item that also tosses on a save penalty and there's also a feat that actually still gives a penalty on ALL saves, not just the first (but it is a small penalty -2 IIRC). So maybe at level 6 pick up that feat (Spell Mastery IIRC isn't it?). The nice thing about this is it is great not only for things like Sleep but it also benefits you in any situation where you want to hit badly, usually with a daily. With say an 18 Wis at level 6 you could be hitting with really high accuracy and imposing a -6 or so to saves. That gives you almost a 50/50 chance of putting a solo to sleep, which is pretty close to "I win". Doing some delaying tricks and whatnot can optimize the effect. With a group of several weaker enemies it is still pretty effective. At level 5 you can pick up Stinking Cloud or something like that (Visions of Avarice kicks butt too). The reroll stuff can be applied to that as well. It can even be used with various encounter spells in a pinch. [/QUOTE]
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