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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 4543805" data-attributes="member: 284">I never said it was broken. My point is that it is powerful with the right build. And it just get's more powerful the higher level you are. Your Wis modifier increases, and you can get Spell Focu for an additional -2 on their saves, and there is another Orb you can get to apply a further penalty to saves. We did a playtest with lvl 16 versions of our characters, and I put a Dracolich (solo brute) to Sleep for 3 rounds - long enough to do over 500 points of damage to it (3 PC's autocriting it every round). Of course, it then woke up and it took us 2 more rounds to kill it. In another combat in that same playtest,  I put a Nightwalker (lvl 20 elite) to sleep and it wasn't able to make the save before we killed it (although I did use all my daily's to put damaging effects on it while it was out).</blockquote>