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<blockquote data-quote="auburn2" data-source="post: 8236094" data-attributes="member: 6855259"><p>This is not true at level 4/2. Sleep is much, much better at dropping them than SA. At higher levels of Rogue it will eventually be true, but that is not until you hit 9th level in Rogue</p><p></p><p>With advantage and a 16 Dex against a 15AC foe SA is averaging 8.5 DPR for a 4/2 Rogue/wizard (13.8 on a hit, including crits, but it only hits 60% of the time) if you assume advantage every turn that gets bumped to 11 points DPR. Sleep using a 1st level slot is 22.5 average, over double SA with advantage and nearly triple SA without advantage. Note for this discussion I used my Rogue who weilds a short sword. A rapier or crossbow will bump this slightly to 9 DPR, not enough to change the overall point.</p><p></p><p>I agree it is not that powerful, and I probably won't use it much, but it is much better at dropping a foe than SA is. The main downside is it is a wasted slot on a bad roll or if you guess hps wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="auburn2, post: 8236094, member: 6855259"] This is not true at level 4/2. Sleep is much, much better at dropping them than SA. At higher levels of Rogue it will eventually be true, but that is not until you hit 9th level in Rogue With advantage and a 16 Dex against a 15AC foe SA is averaging 8.5 DPR for a 4/2 Rogue/wizard (13.8 on a hit, including crits, but it only hits 60% of the time) if you assume advantage every turn that gets bumped to 11 points DPR. Sleep using a 1st level slot is 22.5 average, over double SA with advantage and nearly triple SA without advantage. Note for this discussion I used my Rogue who weilds a short sword. A rapier or crossbow will bump this slightly to 9 DPR, not enough to change the overall point. I agree it is not that powerful, and I probably won't use it much, but it is much better at dropping a foe than SA is. The main downside is it is a wasted slot on a bad roll or if you guess hps wrong. [/QUOTE]
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