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<blockquote data-quote="Kaylos" data-source="post: 6356512" data-attributes="member: 6778092">Well, penalizing someone for something of that nature is very simulationist.&nbsp; Since simulation is generally about realism, those of us who have actually experienced sleeping in armor, sleeping in the elements in poor conditions, sleeping in incredibly unconfortable positions that had nothing to do with what I was wearing (though it didn't help), either from military or historic recreation, are trying to help you understand the real effects.&nbsp; I think most of us feel that getting sleep (and rest from that sleep) itself is not generally an issue for someone who has adapted to the circumstances.&nbsp; However, we tend to agree that long term wear of armor can create problems if you never take it off to do maintenance and hygiene.&nbsp; Generally on campaign (as I did in Iraq regularly wearing 60-80 lbs of gear a day), it is not how comfortable you are while sleeping, but whether you get it or not, that really matters.&nbsp; Even then, the body can be pushed much farther than most realize when it is on high alert do to potential imminent danger to life and health.&nbsp; Also the elements and how you deal with them matter more than whether you sleep in armor or not.Many of us feel that a penalty for heavy armor sleeping is just a fighter tax, that unfairly penalizes the fighter, without truly being simulation at all, since it doesn't match the real life experiences we have had.&nbsp; That being said, if you are going to penalize sleeping in heavy armor, you should penalize sleeping in ANY armor.&nbsp; Have you actually worn armor grade boiled leather?&nbsp; It is nothing like wearing supple leather clothing or even a heavy leather jacket for that matter.&nbsp; You might as well be wearing Plate in terms of comfort.&nbsp; A chainmail hauberk is much more comfortable to wear and lay down in due to flexibility than boiled leather is.&nbsp; How about Half-Plate medium armor?&nbsp; You still covered half in plate.&nbsp; If you insist on doing it regardless of our obviously anecdotal experience actually doing it, then it needs to be all armor.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kaylos, post: 6356512, member: 6778092"] Well, penalizing someone for something of that nature is very simulationist. Since simulation is generally about realism, those of us who have actually experienced sleeping in armor, sleeping in the elements in poor conditions, sleeping in incredibly unconfortable positions that had nothing to do with what I was wearing (though it didn't help), either from military or historic recreation, are trying to help you understand the real effects. I think most of us feel that getting sleep (and rest from that sleep) itself is not generally an issue for someone who has adapted to the circumstances. However, we tend to agree that long term wear of armor can create problems if you never take it off to do maintenance and hygiene. Generally on campaign (as I did in Iraq regularly wearing 60-80 lbs of gear a day), it is not how comfortable you are while sleeping, but whether you get it or not, that really matters. Even then, the body can be pushed much farther than most realize when it is on high alert do to potential imminent danger to life and health. Also the elements and how you deal with them matter more than whether you sleep in armor or not. Many of us feel that a penalty for heavy armor sleeping is just a fighter tax, that unfairly penalizes the fighter, without truly being simulation at all, since it doesn't match the real life experiences we have had. That being said, if you are going to penalize sleeping in heavy armor, you should penalize sleeping in [B]ANY [/B]armor. Have you actually worn armor grade boiled leather? It is nothing like wearing supple leather clothing or even a heavy leather jacket for that matter. You might as well be wearing Plate in terms of comfort. A chainmail hauberk is much more comfortable to wear and lay down in due to flexibility than boiled leather is. How about Half-Plate medium armor? You still covered half in plate. If you insist on doing it regardless of our obviously anecdotal experience actually doing it, then it needs to be all armor. [/QUOTE]

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