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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 2110732" data-attributes="member: 259">Yeah--I definitely don't think you should be able to use it to grab something out of someone's hands.  And I'm pretty skeptical that you could use it to hoist someone's backpack without them noticing, or nick their greatsword off their back, or jimmy their shield loose, or anything like that.Perhaps a good rule of thumb would be that you can SoH something that weighs 1 pound or less with a normal check, and each pound over 1 imposes a -1 penalty to the check?  That way, I could still get someone's greatsword, but it'd be much more difficult than taking their wand of magic missiles.I wonder if I could take a ring off their hand?  Make it look like a grapple check that I failed, or something like that.  Heh, this recalls a junior-high incident, in which a jock scooped me up and carried me around the gym as some sort of oafish showing-offishness.  While he did that, I unbuckled his watch from his wrist and palmed it; I gave it back to him later, delighting in his bafflement at how I got it.  I guess SoH in a grapple works well.Daniel</blockquote>