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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 2111326" data-attributes="member: 2067">Sleight of hand is useful so that the victim doesn't notice it. It's kind of like a fient, and doing it in combat would be a different system from grabbing something.When you're grabbing an item, you're not taking any pains to be stealthy or conniving about it...they see you, you see them, you reach out, grab something, and pull. When you're using Slyte of Hand, it's more quick fingerwork that they aren't supposed to notice.So a use of SoH in combat to,say, grab a ring off of someone's finger, would be probably described as the defender fending off a few weak, half-hearted, distracting slaps from the attacker (the one using SoH). If he passes the check to notice, perhaps he sees that when he blocked the slap with his hand, the attacker slipped the ring off his finger in the process. Similarly, it can probably be done to cut a strap, throw a latch, snatch something from the belt, etc. Could you steal a greatsword? Probably no, since you can't really do that very sneaky. Could you, say, slice the leather that holds the greatsword case on the foe's back? Probably sure. SoH, and then damage the item. Can you grab a ring off of someone's sword hand as they thrust it at you? Sure. Snatch a wand? A component pouch? Why not! They're not large.</blockquote>