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<blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 2116007" data-attributes="member: 17296"><p>If and only if you're seen. If you attack unarmed while invisible, or against a blind target, or using some other way to be unseen, it does not provoke.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Once again. If and only if you're seen. If you grapple while invisible, or against a blind target, or using some other way to be unseen, it does not provoke.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If and only if you're seen. If you do any of these things invisibly, or against a blind target, or using some other way to be unseen, it does not provoke. Sleight of hand, when the opposition doesn't make a spot check, by definition is not seen. It wasn't seen to happen, the target isn't aware it happened. No AoO was taken because the target didn't see the opportunity.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not at all, the spot check is to notice the action, not to notice what was taken. It's possible that even if you notice someone took something, you'll have to check yourself to notice exactly what that something was. Although that part is not clarified. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. If your opponent is aware, or if he becomes aware via spot, making either of those moves would provoke. And I agree 100% that your focus has shifted from complete defence to attempting to make the other person THINK you're not taking something while you are. If you're in combat you're obviously attempting to make him think you're still threatening him, you're still defending. While instead you're takin' stuff. If he notices this, he gets an AoO.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The opponent makes a spot check to detect the attempt. If he doesn't detect it, no AoO. Pretty clear to me. </p><p></p><p>I also have to agree here that the freeness or non-freeness of the sleight attempt won't make a difference. Pretty much it's just if you're detected or not. </p><p></p><p>On the other hand, at this point I want to suggest....</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's no explicit limit on the number of free actions you can take. ... So, as a free action which provokes if noticed... and if the opponent doesn't have combat reflexes (or if you're willing to take the hits), you can try over, and over, and over again. Essentially taking every small object on the target's person. ExCellEnt. You can't do THAT with grab!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ARandomGod, post: 2116007, member: 17296"] If and only if you're seen. If you attack unarmed while invisible, or against a blind target, or using some other way to be unseen, it does not provoke. Once again. If and only if you're seen. If you grapple while invisible, or against a blind target, or using some other way to be unseen, it does not provoke. If and only if you're seen. If you do any of these things invisibly, or against a blind target, or using some other way to be unseen, it does not provoke. Sleight of hand, when the opposition doesn't make a spot check, by definition is not seen. It wasn't seen to happen, the target isn't aware it happened. No AoO was taken because the target didn't see the opportunity. Not at all, the spot check is to notice the action, not to notice what was taken. It's possible that even if you notice someone took something, you'll have to check yourself to notice exactly what that something was. Although that part is not clarified. Yes. If your opponent is aware, or if he becomes aware via spot, making either of those moves would provoke. And I agree 100% that your focus has shifted from complete defence to attempting to make the other person THINK you're not taking something while you are. If you're in combat you're obviously attempting to make him think you're still threatening him, you're still defending. While instead you're takin' stuff. If he notices this, he gets an AoO. The opponent makes a spot check to detect the attempt. If he doesn't detect it, no AoO. Pretty clear to me. I also have to agree here that the freeness or non-freeness of the sleight attempt won't make a difference. Pretty much it's just if you're detected or not. On the other hand, at this point I want to suggest.... There's no explicit limit on the number of free actions you can take. ... So, as a free action which provokes if noticed... and if the opponent doesn't have combat reflexes (or if you're willing to take the hits), you can try over, and over, and over again. Essentially taking every small object on the target's person. ExCellEnt. You can't do THAT with grab! [/QUOTE]
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