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<blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 3427984" data-attributes="member: 8439">That would be the part quoted earlier that says &quot;To attempt to snatch away an item worn by a defender rather than damage it, see Disarm.&quot; Not &quot;see disarm or use Slight of Hand&quot;. I notice that there are no modifiers for &quot;lifting an object&quot; for how much the target is moving, or other circumstances. This is a pretty big hole in the rules even if you don't allow it in combat, and I would have to add houserules to even consider it in combat. I would assume the DC 20 check to be in optimum conditions of the target sitting or standing and circumstances allowing you to stand very close to them without arousing suspicion (a crowded bar, a marketplace, etc) Picking the pocket of someone doing the jitterbug on a dance floor where folks are staying a few feet away from each other to observe and applaud each other's moves is not the same DC, nor is trying to steal something in combat (even if we assume its allowed).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kahuna Burger, post: 3427984, member: 8439"] That would be the part quoted earlier that says "To attempt to snatch away an item worn by a defender rather than damage it, see Disarm." Not "see disarm or use Slight of Hand". I notice that there are no modifiers for "lifting an object" for how much the target is moving, or other circumstances. This is a pretty big hole in the rules even if you don't allow it in combat, and I would have to add houserules to even consider it in combat. I would assume the DC 20 check to be in optimum conditions of the target sitting or standing and circumstances allowing you to stand very close to them without arousing suspicion (a crowded bar, a marketplace, etc) Picking the pocket of someone doing the jitterbug on a dance floor where folks are staying a few feet away from each other to observe and applaud each other's moves is not the same DC, nor is trying to steal something in combat (even if we assume its allowed). [/QUOTE]

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