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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 3808166" data-attributes="member: 1165"><p>They explain and dictate many of the events that appear in the setting. Did Azoun die first in a novel, or in FRCS? I'm thinking the former.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>She's their leader. She doesn't need to use mind control.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are generally two groups of divine servants - clerics and outsiders. The first walk the earth with a reasonable amount of power, the second almost never do (being stuck on another plane most of the time). Anything else (Chosen, proxies, avatars - which aren't stricly servants, etc) are strictly limited in number and influence ... except the Chosen. But probably more to the point, none of the other deities have this much direct influence on the setting. Off-hand, I can't recall any deity other than Mystra who has even more than one Chosen. Bane's sole known Chosen, Fzoul Chembryl (and if you can name more than one, I'd like to see you name nine) is just that ... one. Most other deities don't even have any that have been introduced to the setting.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They're always going to lose to the Chosen, due to their Mary Sue status. The Chosen nearly always win, and it requires overwhelming force to defeat them. Okay, that's in the novels only, but that's a big part of the setting.</p><p></p><p>Okay, fine. Maybe the problems are the novels, but they are impinging negatively on the setting. Short of tossing them all out (that's not going to happen because they're <strong>canon</strong>) WotC can fix the bad parts of the setting. (And yes, that means killing Mystra. That fixes the problem of the Mary Sue overpowered overnumbered Chosen right off the bat.)</p><p></p><p>By the way, can someone explain to me why Greenwood says the Chosen are insane when the vast majority of them don't act that way in the very novels he writes? If they're nuts, they still seem pretty functional to me, compared to Sammaster or (most of the time) Halaster. Only Elminster (senile and PTSD) and the Simbul seemed to be nutty to me.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That would make them the UN? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Actually, who said anything about them installing new rulers? I think the necessity of keeping them around so they can save Faerun from the Weave Tearing Event of the (insert too-short time period here) is more damaging to the setting than whether they can take on the Zhents. The setting can get new more competent villains, provided there's some kind of time jump to explain why no one ever heard of before (they were establishing positions of power, gaining levels, etc), although the villains aren't going to be realistic if they can actually match the Chosen ... the Chosen still need their depowering.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 3808166, member: 1165"] They explain and dictate many of the events that appear in the setting. Did Azoun die first in a novel, or in FRCS? I'm thinking the former. She's their leader. She doesn't need to use mind control. There are generally two groups of divine servants - clerics and outsiders. The first walk the earth with a reasonable amount of power, the second almost never do (being stuck on another plane most of the time). Anything else (Chosen, proxies, avatars - which aren't stricly servants, etc) are strictly limited in number and influence ... except the Chosen. But probably more to the point, none of the other deities have this much direct influence on the setting. Off-hand, I can't recall any deity other than Mystra who has even more than one Chosen. Bane's sole known Chosen, Fzoul Chembryl (and if you can name more than one, I'd like to see you name nine) is just that ... one. Most other deities don't even have any that have been introduced to the setting. They're always going to lose to the Chosen, due to their Mary Sue status. The Chosen nearly always win, and it requires overwhelming force to defeat them. Okay, that's in the novels only, but that's a big part of the setting. Okay, fine. Maybe the problems are the novels, but they are impinging negatively on the setting. Short of tossing them all out (that's not going to happen because they're [b]canon[/b]) WotC can fix the bad parts of the setting. (And yes, that means killing Mystra. That fixes the problem of the Mary Sue overpowered overnumbered Chosen right off the bat.) By the way, can someone explain to me why Greenwood says the Chosen are insane when the vast majority of them don't act that way in the very novels he writes? If they're nuts, they still seem pretty functional to me, compared to Sammaster or (most of the time) Halaster. Only Elminster (senile and PTSD) and the Simbul seemed to be nutty to me. That would make them the UN? :) Actually, who said anything about them installing new rulers? I think the necessity of keeping them around so they can save Faerun from the Weave Tearing Event of the (insert too-short time period here) is more damaging to the setting than whether they can take on the Zhents. The setting can get new more competent villains, provided there's some kind of time jump to explain why no one ever heard of before (they were establishing positions of power, gaining levels, etc), although the villains aren't going to be realistic if they can actually match the Chosen ... the Chosen still need their depowering. [/QUOTE]
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