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<blockquote data-quote="Ashtagon" data-source="post: 5559352" data-attributes="member: 72335">Fair enough. It's just that every time I mention that specific house rule, far too many people go lolwut, without taking time to do the maths on just how badly-off ranged weapons actually are. It's reached the point where I'm no longer really interested in even mentioning it because of the storm it generates. It's also a separate tangent, since it's part of my general house rules, not a sling-specific change.Does anyone have any comments on sling-specific house rules (feat for extra range, and free reload actions)?ETA: For anyone interested, here are a couple of older threads on this topic:<a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190091&amp;highlight=sling" target="_blank">Concussion from the Skies (sling fix, need help) - Giant in the Playground Forums</a><a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189766&amp;highlight=sling" target="_blank">Ranged weapon fixes - Giant in the Playground Forums</a>And here is a comparison of my home-brewed weapon damages, followed by the RAW weapon damages (assumptions are that character has +3 ability score bonus to damage where relevant at 1st level, with an additional +1 each additional level). Sorry for the formatting. I'll try to clean it later.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [code]House Rules&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; BAB+1&nbsp; &nbsp; BAB+6&nbsp; &nbsp; BAB+11&nbsp; &nbsp; BAB+16Mighty longbow&nbsp; &nbsp; 8.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15.833&nbsp; &nbsp; 21.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 25.3&nbsp; (also applies to most d10 weapons)longbow&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 14.167&nbsp; &nbsp; 19.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 23.1&nbsp; (also applies to most d8 weapons)short bow&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 12.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 17.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 20.9&nbsp; (also applies to most d6 weapons)sling&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.833&nbsp; &nbsp; 15.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 18.7&nbsp; (also applies to most d4 weapons)hand crossbow&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9.5light crossbow&nbsp; &nbsp; 8.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5heavy crossbow&nbsp;&nbsp; 12.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 13.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 14.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 15.SRD versioncomp. longbow&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 14.167&nbsp; &nbsp; 19.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 23.1&nbsp; longbow&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9.9&nbsp; comp shortbow&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 12.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 17.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 20.9&nbsp; shortbow&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5.833&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7.7&nbsp; sling&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 8.5&nbsp; hand crossbow&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4.167&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5.5&nbsp; (assumes character has iteratives from Rapid Reload)light crossbow&nbsp; &nbsp; 4.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 9.9&nbsp; (assumes character has iteratives from Rapid Reload)heavy crossbow&nbsp; &nbsp; 5.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5.5&nbsp; (halve these numbers without Rapid Reload feat)[/code]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashtagon, post: 5559352, member: 72335"] Fair enough. It's just that every time I mention that specific house rule, far too many people go lolwut, without taking time to do the maths on just how badly-off ranged weapons actually are. It's reached the point where I'm no longer really interested in even mentioning it because of the storm it generates. It's also a separate tangent, since it's part of my general house rules, not a sling-specific change. Does anyone have any comments on sling-specific house rules (feat for extra range, and free reload actions)? ETA: For anyone interested, here are a couple of older threads on this topic: [URL="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190091&highlight=sling"]Concussion from the Skies (sling fix, need help) - Giant in the Playground Forums[/URL] [URL="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189766&highlight=sling"]Ranged weapon fixes - Giant in the Playground Forums[/URL] And here is a comparison of my home-brewed weapon damages, followed by the RAW weapon damages (assumptions are that character has +3 ability score bonus to damage where relevant at 1st level, with an additional +1 each additional level). Sorry for the formatting. I'll try to clean it later. [code] House Rules BAB+1 BAB+6 BAB+11 BAB+16 Mighty longbow 8.5 15.833 21. 25.3 (also applies to most d10 weapons) longbow 7.5 14.167 19. 23.1 (also applies to most d8 weapons) short bow 6.5 12.5 17. 20.9 (also applies to most d6 weapons) sling 5.5 10.833 15. 18.7 (also applies to most d4 weapons) hand crossbow 6.5 7.5 8.5 9.5 light crossbow 8.5 9.5 10.5 11.5 heavy crossbow 12. 13. 14. 15. SRD version comp. longbow 7.5 14.167 19. 23.1 longbow 4.5 7.5 9. 9.9 comp shortbow 6.5 12.5 17. 20.9 shortbow 3.5 5.833 7. 7.7 sling 5.5 6.5 7.5 8.5 hand crossbow 2.5 4.167 5. 5.5 (assumes character has iteratives from Rapid Reload) light crossbow 4.5 7.5 9. 9.9 (assumes character has iteratives from Rapid Reload) heavy crossbow 5.5 5.5 5.5 5.5 (halve these numbers without Rapid Reload feat) [/code] [/QUOTE]

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