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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Berk" data-source="post: 512384" data-attributes="member: 5992">I need 4 level 86 characters to take on a collosal advanced great wyrm paragon red dragon with 35 levels of wizard, 5 levels of archmage, and 10 levels of fighter. It's basically the big bad in the campaign world that me and my brother run and play in. The CR of the dragon is 86, worked out with the template and everything added on, and I want to prove to my brother that a group of 4 86 level characters couldn't kill it. I wanna take the best 4 and pit them up against the dragon and actually play it out to see who would win. Discuss!!!Oh yeah forgot, the source books that we use are all 3 core rule books, MM, MMII, book of horrors, relics and rituals, CC, CCII, MoF, S&F, DoTF, MoTW, T&B, S&S, ELH. Can use any templates, as long as it all works out rules wise. No spelldancers, and no harper stuff. That's about all I can think of atm. Pretty sure that that covers all of it.</blockquote>