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Message: <blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 515215" data-attributes="member: 743">No need for Epic Dispel, when you have Mord's Disjunction. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I wouldn't rely on Harm though. I'm not sure what the SR of a CR86 Great Wyrm is, but its probably pretty high. I believe the average SR is CR+11, which gives an SR of 97. Given that dragons are generally more powerful than their CR indicates, this one probably has SR 104.Also, any dragon that can't deal with Harm (through contingencies, Epic Spells, or other means) would never have made it to CR86 to begin with.Finally, STOP MENTIONING HARM! ALL IT DOES IS DERAIL THREADS!!!!!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />As for a smackdown, I would seriously consdier using a dmeilich, loaded down with 53 spellcaster levels (most of which from the most broken prestige classes you can find. I say this for several reasons:<ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You are immune to most magic. It is highly doubtful that the Dragon has Holy Smite or Dispel Evil. And even Shatter will only do 10d6 / 2 to you.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">DR 30/-: when the dragon can't hurt you with spells, it will have to attack with natural attacks.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Harm at will (i.e. Heal self at will)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Phylactery transference. With your gear on the far side of the planet, you are safe from Disjunction.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Astral Projection at will: you don't even actually have to be there for the battle.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> +53 insight bonus to AC. Stacking that with major magical defenses can make it hard for even an advanced dragon to hit you. [/list=1] Now then, what to do for offense I have no idea. Alternatively, an 86th level paladin dual-wielding Holy Devestators with a ton of extra-smiting feats and Perfect two-weapon fighting could deal some serious damage. Each successful Smite is worth 172 damage. Of course, you'll want to have a mage friend nearby to disjunction the dragon's defensive spells before you start smiting. Heck, the Holy Devestator is only a +15 weapon costwise, so you could easily add another +85 worth of weapon enchantments. Lawful Power, all of the X blasts, Dragon bane, Dragon dread, Keen and an extra +37 enhancement bonus should serve you fairly well. You'd have +53 to hit from levels alone, +50 from the weapon, and + who knows how much from your smite (at least 15, although an item of +70 to charisma is less than 50,000,000 gold and well worth it considering it would give you +35 to save, +35 damage (via Divine Might), and +70 to hit(smite + divine mght)).  I would spend nearly all of your under 20th level feats on extra smiting, and nearly all of you over 20th feats on boosting your to hit rolls via Epic weapon focus and Epic Prowess. Don't worry too much about buff spells, as both your party and the dragon should be disjunctioning three times in the first round (if necessary). Of course, an 86th level sorcerer with 5000 43rd level simulacrum lackeys could be pretty devestating, even if all they did was sit back and constatnly try to beat the dragon's SR with a Temporal Stasis (or other no save spell) boosted by the Reach Spell metamagic feat (and of course three helpings of Improved Metamagic from feats or class abilities).</li> </ol></blockquote>

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