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<blockquote data-quote="Jeremy" data-source="post: 516901" data-attributes="member: 4036">Nope.&nbsp; I'm very well aware of that fact.&nbsp; My point was, that in the race for more powerful epic spells, the straight wizard wins.And in the question of who can do the most melee damage, the straight warrior wins.&nbsp; So if the wizard is powerful enough (he should be) to remove the protections of the dragon, leaving him exposed to the warrior...Well, Souljourner has already shown you that 7000+ points of damage can be dealt in a single round.&nbsp; And he did it in a 5 minute post off the top of his head.Unless I missed something, the dragon is not going to have 7000 hp.&nbsp; If that's the case, and his in place spell effects are shut down (even if he can activate every single one of them again next round), there is a better than average chance he will die in the first round.That is my point.Yes, he's big bad, tough, and ugly.&nbsp; But without spells already in place to protect him (again, see my prevous point about more powerful casters having access to more powerful epic spells), then the dragon is forced to face the full ferocity of what an 86th level melee smackdown can accomplish.&nbsp; And he just doesn't have the HP or the AC without spells in effect on him.He's not weak, he's just in a situation (high level arena match experiment) that doesn't play to his strengths.&nbsp; Fighting fair puts him at a disadvantage because it's 4 on 1.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeremy, post: 516901, member: 4036"] Nope. I'm very well aware of that fact. My point was, that in the race for more powerful epic spells, the straight wizard wins. And in the question of who can do the most melee damage, the straight warrior wins. So if the wizard is powerful enough (he should be) to remove the protections of the dragon, leaving him exposed to the warrior... Well, Souljourner has already shown you that 7000+ points of damage can be dealt in a single round. And he did it in a 5 minute post off the top of his head. Unless I missed something, the dragon is not going to have 7000 hp. If that's the case, and his in place spell effects are shut down (even if he can activate every single one of them again next round), there is a better than average chance he will die in the first round. That is my point. Yes, he's big bad, tough, and ugly. But without spells already in place to protect him (again, see my prevous point about more powerful casters having access to more powerful epic spells), then the dragon is forced to face the full ferocity of what an 86th level melee smackdown can accomplish. And he just doesn't have the HP or the AC without spells in effect on him. He's not weak, he's just in a situation (high level arena match experiment) that doesn't play to his strengths. Fighting fair puts him at a disadvantage because it's 4 on 1. [/QUOTE]

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