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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheEvil" data-source="post: 1949883" data-attributes="member: 23261">As I have noted several times, halflings are NOT the size of 12 year olds.  They are the size of 3 year olds.  From a google search, mean hand length of a 3 year old is about 10.5 cm, 12 year old 16.3, 18 year old 18.4.  As a disclaimer, this was the first site I found that gave such data, so feel free to look for data that substantually disagrees.As you can see, the difference between 3 and adult is rather larger then from 12 and adult.  Between 12 and adult, the lack of experience and developement have far more impact then hand size.  At this point, I have shown you that the height, weight and hand size of 12 year olds is closer to adult human then to halflings, so please drop the 12 year olds from your reasons why small creatures shouldn't do less damage.  Well, that seems to pretty much put a cap on things.  First off, something that should have been said a LONG time ago on this thread: Drop martial arts from this whole discussion.  Just because a trained martial artist swings a baton a certain way doesn't mean this is the way the vast majority of people use clubs.  Eastern martial arts techniques were developed to allow lightly armed and unarmored peasants to fight armed and armored soldiers.  For whatever reason, peasants didn't develope these skills in the historical western setting D&D seems to be based on.  You also can't compare the martial artists' baton strike to their quarterstaff strike, as your training has no doubt shown you that these two swings use different techniques.  Finally, one bit of advice given to children with martial arts training is to NEVER, EVER try to fight an adult if you can run away.  You will lose far more often then you win.  Even if you are a black belt.  This is also this advice given to adults facing someone who is armed.  Every martial arts instructors I have known has advocated running away from an armed opponent whenever possible.  Even if all they had was a knife.  There, I feel better now. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Now to get on with it:If you really believe that specialized martial arts techniques are widely used by D&D characters, then nothing I say will convince you otherwise (beating dead horse to prove a point here).If you really believe a traditional sword swing from someone 1/2 the height and 1/6 the weight has just as much force as a full sized adult, nothing I say will convince you otherwise.If you honestly think that griping and handling something is the same as being able to wield it in combat, then nothing I say will convince you otherwise.If you honestly believe that you are just as fast, accurate and hard to disarm with a weapon with a 1/2" grip as you are with that same weapon with a 1" grip or a 3" grip, nothing I say will convince you otherwise.I many others have tried to show you through various examples and physical statistics (height, weight, etc..) how the D&D system of weapon damage based on size is reasonable.  Furthermore, we have shown how it actually hasn't changed the damage that creatures do with with similarly sized weapons, except in very few cases.  Through all of this I have tried to be patient and respectful.  I wish I could say I had succeeded more thoroughly.  It doesn't seem that you have any room in your mind for doubt, or to be convinced that what you think is wrong.  You may well think the same of me and of everyone who disagreed with you.  Certainly, I would not argue with your right to do so.  I am going to cease posting on this thread before I say something that crosses the line.  I do reserve the right to rebutt any reply you may make, but am unlikely to say any more on threads topic directly.I look forward to chatting on other posts.Good gaming!</blockquote>

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