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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DamionW" data-source="post: 2701473" data-attributes="member: 18649"><p>My claim is not that "anything is believable, just make a check".  My claim is that a premise of a lie described at Level 2 abstraction (see post #165) is sufficient to determine the circumstance modifier (See post #182) and the DM can determine success or failure at that point.  The choice of my lie tactically, say between "I tell him his boss sent him and he wants the guard in his office now!" and another lie, say, "I tell him I'm Elminster and that I will smite him if he doesn't let me through," is the same tactical decision as flanking or not flanking as a rogue.  To ask me to lie as my character would lie and he'll respond as the NPC would respond is removing the exchange to a meta-game arena where my personal skills, as a real person, to lie are brought into question.  This is not done for any other aspect of the game such that my abilities are paramount to the characters, and thus is prone to bias and outside the scope of the rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>