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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7122451" data-attributes="member: 6795602">A better comparison is not to look at average DPR on a round but to look at the chances something will happen when the paladin uses divine smite.For example a Paladin similar to yours will have a 45.5% chance to land a single attack.&nbsp; A 42.25% chance to land both attacks.&nbsp; He will have a 12.25% chance of missing entirely.A wizard similar to yours will have a 65% chance to deal full damage and a 35% chance to deal half damage.Writing this out:A paladin with 65% to hit will have:42.25% chance of doing 38.16 damage45.5% chance of doing 25.83 damage 12.25% chance of doing 0 damageA wizard with 65% save Dc will have:65% chance of doing 28 damage35% chance of doing 14 damageSo you are right, even with your rule variation:&nbsp; As long as the Paladin doesn't whiff he's basically doing very close to the Wizard's damage if not significantly more.&nbsp; That 0 damage 12.25% of the time really pulls his weighted average down.&nbsp; Just for test purposes.&nbsp; A paladin following PHB smite rules can do:42.25% chance of doing 60.66 damage45.5% chance of doing 39.33 damage12.25% chance of doing 0 damageA GWF battlemaster with action surge can do:17.85% chance of doing 67.32 damage38.44% chance of doing 50.49 damage31.05% chance of doing 33.66 damage11.14% chance of doing 16.83 damage1.5% chance of doing 0 damageAfter looking at these numbers I'll concede the point about the paladin vs wizard in your variant.&nbsp; I'm curious though, the fighter is very similar to the Paladin and will do significantly more than your paladin variant and will have even fewer resources left after doing so.&nbsp; Is the fighter's NOVA not problematic for some reason?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7122451, member: 6795602"] A better comparison is not to look at average DPR on a round but to look at the chances something will happen when the paladin uses divine smite. For example a Paladin similar to yours will have a 45.5% chance to land a single attack. A 42.25% chance to land both attacks. He will have a 12.25% chance of missing entirely. A wizard similar to yours will have a 65% chance to deal full damage and a 35% chance to deal half damage. Writing this out: A paladin with 65% to hit will have: 42.25% chance of doing 38.16 damage 45.5% chance of doing 25.83 damage 12.25% chance of doing 0 damage A wizard with 65% save Dc will have: 65% chance of doing 28 damage 35% chance of doing 14 damage So you are right, even with your rule variation: As long as the Paladin doesn't whiff he's basically doing very close to the Wizard's damage if not significantly more. That 0 damage 12.25% of the time really pulls his weighted average down. Just for test purposes. A paladin following PHB smite rules can do: 42.25% chance of doing 60.66 damage 45.5% chance of doing 39.33 damage 12.25% chance of doing 0 damage A GWF battlemaster with action surge can do: 17.85% chance of doing 67.32 damage 38.44% chance of doing 50.49 damage 31.05% chance of doing 33.66 damage 11.14% chance of doing 16.83 damage 1.5% chance of doing 0 damage After looking at these numbers I'll concede the point about the paladin vs wizard in your variant. I'm curious though, the fighter is very similar to the Paladin and will do significantly more than your paladin variant and will have even fewer resources left after doing so. Is the fighter's NOVA not problematic for some reason? [/QUOTE]

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