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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ZSutherland" data-source="post: 962568" data-attributes="member: 7638">My group uses, pretty much regardless of DM, an 80 point system (very different from an 80 point buy which would just be ridiculous).  Yes, it demands high stats and nearly completely negates racial mods (though to use a halfling as an example the -2 STR means max starting STR is 16).  We just find it simpler than the point buy math (some of my players are math challenged) and fairer than rolling and its attendant disparity, but its fun and as the most frequent DM it gives me an excuse to beef up fights while never having players excluded from any concept because they can't float the necessary stats.Z</blockquote>