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<blockquote data-quote="Mustrum_Ridcully" data-source="post: 188048" data-attributes="member: 710">A rogue that is good im combat situations is often not good in scoial encounters. This would force him to train 3 different ability/feat/skill sets:&quot;Combat&quot; (Dex, Str, Con; many Feats, some skills)&quot;Traps&quot; (Int, Wis, Dex, many skills)&quot;Diplomacy&quot; (Cha, Int, Wis, many skills)A rogue with a high Dexterity, Strength and Constitution to be good in melee combat does not have the best Int, Wisdom or Charisma. So, not enough Skill Points, not enough Ability Bonus to the skills. The Bard will always be better in this case, even a Paladin can be better in some social sitatuions (at least he has Charisma and Diplomacy). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />And often you miss the weakness of many Rogues in Combat: Low Hit Points and often also low Strength. Since most Rogues relay on finessable weapons, they try to give up some strength. But in melee, everyone has good chances to bullrush, grapple or trip the rogue. And than he has a problem... Mustrum Ridcully</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mustrum_Ridcully, post: 188048, member: 710"] A rogue that is good im combat situations is often not good in scoial encounters. This would force him to train 3 different ability/feat/skill sets: "Combat" (Dex, Str, Con; many Feats, some skills) "Traps" (Int, Wis, Dex, many skills) "Diplomacy" (Cha, Int, Wis, many skills) A rogue with a high Dexterity, Strength and Constitution to be good in melee combat does not have the best Int, Wisdom or Charisma. So, not enough Skill Points, not enough Ability Bonus to the skills. The Bard will always be better in this case, even a Paladin can be better in some social sitatuions (at least he has Charisma and Diplomacy). :) And often you miss the weakness of many Rogues in Combat: Low Hit Points and often also low Strength. Since most Rogues relay on finessable weapons, they try to give up some strength. But in melee, everyone has good chances to bullrush, grapple or trip the rogue. And than he has a problem... Mustrum Ridcully [/QUOTE]

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