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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shard O'Glase" data-source="post: 580525" data-attributes="member: 1134">Fighters aren't even remotely close to being good enough at fighting to justify their abjuct suckiness outside of fights, IMO.  I'd be compleately fine with the concept of ultra specialized classes where the fighter just could fight and sucked at everything else if he dwarfed others at fighting, but he doesn't.(Heck I'd sorta prefer 3 ultra specialized classes figther, skill master, spell caster, and multiclassing covered everything in between) Considering how bad the fighter is out of a fight there should be zip, zero, nada situations where any class out perfoms the fighter in a fight. As is, the rogue with minimul thought can frequently out perform the fighter in damage out put, spellcasters frequently outperfom fighters in a fight(without even consideirng save or dies), the pseudo fighters are very marginially worse than a fighter in a fight and usually gain signifigant versatillity past the fighter outside of a fight, +special abilites.  In certain campaign styles it pans out because there are enough fight encounters, that the fighters general edge comes through a lot, and his huge skill weakness doesn't hinder him much.Personaly I Thought it was beter for my game to beef up the fighter class a bit out of a fight than to basically make multiclassing a necessity.  IMO if you have to multi a class then in that campaign style that class is out of balance, and I'd prefer to try and rebalnce it.  If they would go my ultr specialized class rout it wouldn't be an issue since the classes would be more explicitly just ability collecitons that you mixed and matched to get your character concept.  As is with many distinct classes I have lots of palyers who want to be a specific class, and don't want to multi to rogue since they don't see themselves as a rogue.  They either are unwilling or unable to see the classes as merely a collection of abilities.edit bad word typo.</blockquote>

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