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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tilla the Hun (work)" data-source="post: 1402634" data-attributes="member: 14214">Heh.  I thought I understood the rules and created my own house rules to address perceived issues therein...Now I've read RotG: part 3 and I've read the 4 pages of HS's review around here...Now I'm rather utterly confused (ugh - the cows!!)I've changed my stance on invisibility + sneak attack + full attack and actually agree with Skip on this...I find a great deal of confusion centering around some seemingly simple concepts of flanking...  Namely, threatened, aware of, and etc.1) Flanking occurs when a target is threatened on opposite sides of his square - right?Therein, we use the terms flanking, target, threatened, opposite, square.We all know target (i think), and we all know opposite and square (again, i think we do)Thus we have flanking and threatened.Now we should all understand threatened squares - it's any square you can make a melee attack into, right?Thus, if 'target' is in a square where he is threatened by a two sources on opposite sides of that square, then either source gets the flanking bonus, the target loses dex bonus (to those sources or to all attacks made vs target?), and those sources that gain the flanking bonus gain sneak attack damage.Is that right???  Barring any special abilities, that is...Now, all of that assumes that it doesn't matter whether that target KNOWS it's threatened or NOT, right?  Two invisible rogues manuever into perfect position where target doesn't know they are there, and the situation applies perfectly, even if only to the first rogue to attack, right?  Rog1 gets flank bonus to hit, his target is denied dex bonus, and he gets sneak attack damage (even if only on first attack) - right?Now, if I'm right so far (which I don't know, i.e. is the reason I'm so confused), then the 'closing eyes' or 'turning back to' tricks just evaporate like so much air.  This system doesn't care if you are aware of the attacker or NOT, the bonuses are granted.So tell me why this seems so terribly complicated???  am I just missing something because I'm blind and being out-flanked? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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