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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 1402706" data-attributes="member: 1656">This is true by the rules as written.The Rules of the Game article introduces something not covered by the Core rules, though - the statement that &quot;an ally your foe cannot see cannot provide you with a flanking bonus&quot;.According to the RotG, your two invisible rogues are not flanking, because neither of them have an ally that the foe can see.&nbsp; They can of course still sneak attack, because even though they're not flanking, the fact that they're invisible denies the opponent his Dex bonus.But let's give the opponent Blind Fight or Uncanny Dodge.&nbsp; Now he retains his Dex bonus against invisible attackers, so they can't sneak attack by vitrue of being invisible.&nbsp; But because neither of them have an ally the foe can see, RotG says they're not flanking either.Rogue A attacks; the attack is not a sneak attack (since the defender is not denied his Dex bonus, and Rogue A has no visible ally), and Rogue A becomes visible.Now Rogue B attacks.&nbsp; The opponent is not denied his Dex bonus (due to Uncanny Dodge); but Rogue B has a visible ally in the correct position who threatens the opponent (Rogue A, now visible).&nbsp; Therefore, Rogue B is flanking, and so he gets a sneak attack.Now he's visible too, and they're flanking as normal.But, if the opponent closes his eyes, then by the RotG, neither opponent has a visible ally, and they cannot flank; and because of Uncanny Dodge, the opponent retains his Dex bonus, and thus the fact that he's blind does not make him sneak attackable.You're completely correct that, by the rules as laid out in the PHB, this doesn't work.&nbsp; It's an effect of the new rule made up in the RotG article.-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 1402706, member: 1656"] This is true by the rules as written. The Rules of the Game article introduces something not covered by the Core rules, though - the statement that "an ally your foe cannot see cannot provide you with a flanking bonus". According to the RotG, your two invisible rogues are [i]not[/i] flanking, because neither of them have an ally that the foe can see. They can of course still sneak attack, because even though they're not flanking, the fact that they're invisible denies the opponent his Dex bonus. But let's give the opponent Blind Fight or Uncanny Dodge. Now he retains his Dex bonus against invisible attackers, so they can't sneak attack by vitrue of being invisible. But because neither of them have an ally the foe can see, RotG says they're not flanking either. Rogue A attacks; the attack is not a sneak attack (since the defender is not denied his Dex bonus, and Rogue A has no visible ally), and Rogue A becomes visible. Now Rogue B attacks. The opponent is not denied his Dex bonus (due to Uncanny Dodge); but Rogue B has a visible ally in the correct position who threatens the opponent (Rogue A, now visible). Therefore, Rogue B is flanking, and so he gets a sneak attack. Now he's visible too, and they're flanking as normal. But, if the opponent closes his eyes, then by the RotG, neither opponent has a visible ally, and they cannot flank; and because of Uncanny Dodge, the opponent retains his Dex bonus, and thus the fact that he's blind does not make him sneak attackable. You're completely correct that, by the rules as laid out in the PHB, this doesn't work. It's an effect of the new rule made up in the RotG article. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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