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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6177766" data-attributes="member: 2525">That paragraph, directly contradicts your next paragraph.You JUST said it really irks you and people need to try other games that do this better.&nbsp; That's you caring if people want to use D&amp;D for those things.&nbsp; So, why then immediately pretend you don't care?D&amp;D has always supported horror, from the very beginning, and in every edition of D&amp;D.&nbsp; If you don't want D&amp;D to support horror, tough.&nbsp; Ravenloft will always be there.&nbsp; All the horror creatures will still be there, and people will still play with plenty of horror in their games, and WOTC will continue to publish horror advetures in Dungeon magazine for Halloween.And apparently, somewhere you will be all irked about this. It's about those things, and other things.&nbsp; It's you insisting it only is about those things that causes the conflict.&nbsp; Yeah, you're happy, but really irked if someone wants the rules to allow for supporting that.&nbsp; That doesn't sound like you're really happy for them.&nbsp; If you were really happy for them, you'd want the rules to allow them to continue to do that into the future.Nobody is pretending D&amp;D is not about those things.&nbsp; What I am saying is it's ALSO about other things.&nbsp; Nobody is &quot;doing a disservice&quot; to other games by saying D&amp;D is also about other things. I don't know why you continue to try and make this issue about non-D&amp;D games, or why you keep assuming the people in this thread don't also play other games, but for myself neither is the case.&nbsp; Let's talk about D&amp;D and what you can do with it, what it's always supported, and not what other games do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6177766, member: 2525"] That paragraph, directly contradicts your next paragraph. You JUST said it really irks you and people need to try other games that do this better. That's you caring if people want to use D&D for those things. So, why then immediately pretend you don't care? D&D has always supported horror, from the very beginning, and in every edition of D&D. If you don't want D&D to support horror, tough. Ravenloft will always be there. All the horror creatures will still be there, and people will still play with plenty of horror in their games, and WOTC will continue to publish horror advetures in Dungeon magazine for Halloween. And apparently, somewhere you will be all irked about this. It's about those things, and other things. It's you insisting it only is about those things that causes the conflict. Yeah, you're happy, but really irked if someone wants the rules to allow for supporting that. That doesn't sound like you're really happy for them. If you were really happy for them, you'd want the rules to allow them to continue to do that into the future. Nobody is pretending D&D is not about those things. What I am saying is it's ALSO about other things. Nobody is "doing a disservice" to other games by saying D&D is also about other things. I don't know why you continue to try and make this issue about non-D&D games, or why you keep assuming the people in this thread don't also play other games, but for myself neither is the case. Let's talk about D&D and what you can do with it, what it's always supported, and not what other games do. [/QUOTE]

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