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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6177861" data-attributes="member: 2525">Off the top of my head, some of the utility powers from 4e.&nbsp; Tons of feats from 3e. Much of the Dragonlance setting from 1e/2e (I think I saw a kit about it too?). Plenty of adventures for all of those.Tons of monsters, adventure support, even undead expansion books.&nbsp; Really I think horror you don't have a leg to stand on.&nbsp; It's a well supported concept for D&amp;D, and always has been.&nbsp; The entire Ravenloft setting came from it.&nbsp; Heck it's such a well supported theme for D&amp;D games they even have D&amp;D horror music for your sessions.BAB is mostly a 3e concept, and in that case he was giving up feats like Cleave for feats that support skills.Feats from 3e, like track instead of extend spell.&nbsp; Utility slots in 4e.&nbsp; Well you can cherry pick things we know were not the way it was done and ignore the way it was actually done, or we can have an honest conversation.&nbsp; I'm for the later.&nbsp; In 4e it was mostly through utility powers, in 3e it was mostly through feats, in 1e/2e there wasn't much TO trade but they did provide some in skills and powers and in setting support and even some magic items to try and support those things once they noticed so many people were using D&amp;D for those things.&nbsp; Heck they even tried to support space adventures with 1e/2e, right there in the core books.Except it was handled with rules, as I just detailed.&quot;Ravenloft is primarily a Gothic horror setting.&quot; That's the description.&nbsp; First sentence.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6177861, member: 2525"] Off the top of my head, some of the utility powers from 4e. Tons of feats from 3e. Much of the Dragonlance setting from 1e/2e (I think I saw a kit about it too?). Plenty of adventures for all of those. Tons of monsters, adventure support, even undead expansion books. Really I think horror you don't have a leg to stand on. It's a well supported concept for D&D, and always has been. The entire Ravenloft setting came from it. Heck it's such a well supported theme for D&D games they even have D&D horror music for your sessions. BAB is mostly a 3e concept, and in that case he was giving up feats like Cleave for feats that support skills. Feats from 3e, like track instead of extend spell. Utility slots in 4e. Well you can cherry pick things we know were not the way it was done and ignore the way it was actually done, or we can have an honest conversation. I'm for the later. In 4e it was mostly through utility powers, in 3e it was mostly through feats, in 1e/2e there wasn't much TO trade but they did provide some in skills and powers and in setting support and even some magic items to try and support those things once they noticed so many people were using D&D for those things. Heck they even tried to support space adventures with 1e/2e, right there in the core books. Except it was handled with rules, as I just detailed. "Ravenloft is primarily a Gothic horror setting." That's the description. First sentence. [/QUOTE]

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