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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 6178744" data-attributes="member: 2525">Honest to God this sounds like tactical combat babble to me.&nbsp; It all reads like balance of power wargamer DPR stuff.&nbsp; Thank the Lord 5e isn't going in that direction.&nbsp; You know what &quot;Kewl Powerz!&quot; they get? They can sneak around, with a rapier or short bow (sometimes with poison, if they're lucky enough to beg borrow or steal it), and take things down like that.&nbsp; They can jump out from hiding and lure a foe into an ambush.&nbsp; They can rig a trap to spring when the foes cross it.&nbsp; They can climb to an unexpected area and drop a flaming vial of oil on the rug the baddy is standing on and watch the room go up in flames.&nbsp; They can convince one set of baddies to attack another set of baddies.&nbsp; Those are the traditional &quot;powers&quot; of the rogue, the &quot;powers&quot; they had under all the TSR editions of the game, and they can still get all that.Step away from your character sheet, away from little boxes or cards or whatever you've been depending on to decide what to do next round of combat, and just tell the DM what you think you're character would do, given the circumstances and terrain and relations and lighting and rough distance from safety or other foes or allies.&nbsp; Those are your powers - to think of a way to get through the encounter alive and wealthier.&nbsp; Your goal is not to stab something in the back for maximum damage by optimizing your feats and ability scores and class powers and magical items - it's to come out of the encounter alive and hopefully wealthier. Now put the character sheet and/or cards down and figure out a way to do that.They still get a sword and bow and sneaky abilities and a player with a mind and role playing skills, right?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 6178744, member: 2525"] Honest to God this sounds like tactical combat babble to me. It all reads like balance of power wargamer DPR stuff. Thank the Lord 5e isn't going in that direction. You know what "Kewl Powerz!" they get? They can sneak around, with a rapier or short bow (sometimes with poison, if they're lucky enough to beg borrow or steal it), and take things down like that. They can jump out from hiding and lure a foe into an ambush. They can rig a trap to spring when the foes cross it. They can climb to an unexpected area and drop a flaming vial of oil on the rug the baddy is standing on and watch the room go up in flames. They can convince one set of baddies to attack another set of baddies. Those are the traditional "powers" of the rogue, the "powers" they had under all the TSR editions of the game, and they can still get all that. Step away from your character sheet, away from little boxes or cards or whatever you've been depending on to decide what to do next round of combat, and just tell the DM what you think you're character would do, given the circumstances and terrain and relations and lighting and rough distance from safety or other foes or allies. Those are your powers - to think of a way to get through the encounter alive and wealthier. Your goal is not to stab something in the back for maximum damage by optimizing your feats and ability scores and class powers and magical items - it's to come out of the encounter alive and hopefully wealthier. Now put the character sheet and/or cards down and figure out a way to do that. They still get a sword and bow and sneaky abilities and a player with a mind and role playing skills, right? [/QUOTE]

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