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<blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 6178913" data-attributes="member: 12037">At this point, I can only surmise that you have not read the D&amp;D Next rules very thoroughly, as armor gives no penalty to climbing, and its a straight up Str. check making the fighter a good climber. Beyond that, as long as they're not wearing certain types of armor, a fighter is perfectly good at sneaking.An elven wizard can use swords and bows. A dwarven wizard can use axes and hammers (including throwing ones). Through skillful play? Seriously, you're going to claim that rogues can do all this awesome stuff which isn't defined in the rules, but everybody else can't even attempt basic actions like stealth? At this point, I'm starting to think you're just messing with me. Here, let me answer, anyway, how the mechanics work. A cleric wearing some mithral scale male has no penalty to sneaking, and he makes some Dexterity rolls. If he doesn't have mithral scale, he can just wear some scale mail for this particular plan instead, and change back after the ambush is sprung. After he rolls his checks, the DM tells him the results of his stealth check.Every PC can sneak and climb. EVERY. PLAYER. CHARACTER.Back then, backstab was a minor abillity. Then it was replaced with the major ability called Sneak Attack. Seriously, you might want to read Next thoroughly before you comment on it in the future. Everybody can sneak. Everybody can climb. Everybody can use some kind of weapon or has some kind of at-will offensive spell going, some doing both. Nobody is going to say &quot;Oh wow! I can shoot a bow!&quot; when just about anybody can do something like that or &quot;kewler.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ThirdWizard, post: 6178913, member: 12037"] At this point, I can only surmise that you have not read the D&D Next rules very thoroughly, as armor gives no penalty to climbing, and its a straight up Str. check making the fighter a good climber. Beyond that, as long as they're not wearing certain types of armor, a fighter is perfectly good at sneaking. An elven wizard can use swords and bows. A dwarven wizard can use axes and hammers (including throwing ones). Through skillful play? Seriously, you're going to claim that rogues can do all this awesome stuff which isn't defined in the rules, but everybody else can't even attempt basic actions like stealth? At this point, I'm starting to think you're just messing with me. Here, let me answer, anyway, how the mechanics work. A cleric wearing some mithral scale male has [I]no penalty[/I] to sneaking, and he makes some Dexterity rolls. If he doesn't have mithral scale, he can just wear some scale mail for this particular plan instead, and change back after the ambush is sprung. After he rolls his checks, the DM tells him the results of his stealth check. Every PC can sneak and climb. EVERY. PLAYER. CHARACTER. Back then, backstab was a minor abillity. Then it was replaced with the major ability called Sneak Attack. Seriously, you might want to read Next thoroughly before you comment on it in the future. Everybody can sneak. Everybody can climb. Everybody can use some kind of weapon or has some kind of at-will offensive spell going, some doing both. Nobody is going to say "Oh wow! I can shoot a bow!" when just about anybody can do something like that or "kewler." [/QUOTE]

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