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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8065051" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Well, I never said hiding in combat was never useful.&nbsp; Just that it's not the expectation that you can hide every round every encounter.&nbsp; If there's a rogue in the party who wants to hide during combat, I'll try to set up scenarios where it's possible sometimes.&nbsp; Just don't expect to hide behind the lone tree on an empty plain and attack from hidden more than once.&nbsp; You may not even get once if they saw you move behind the tree or are looking that direction in the first place.If there are guards at a door at the end of a long hallway with no other approach and the guards are alert, I'm sorry but I don't care how good you do on your stealth check they're going to see you when you peak around the corner unless you are invisible.&nbsp; On the other hand if they're guarding a door on a busy street you may be able to be hidden from them by firing from the roof.&nbsp; After that first time though they know there's a threat from the roof so you need to move to the alley.&nbsp; Maybe next round you can take advantage of the confusion or teleport to get over to the cart across the street.In other words, you need to be constantly changing position, approaching from an unexpected direction while the guard is being distracted by something else like that raging barbarian trying to&nbsp; chop their&nbsp; head off.&nbsp; At least that's how I run it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8065051, member: 6801845"] Well, [I]I[/I] never said hiding in combat was [I]never[/I] useful. Just that it's not the expectation that you can hide every round every encounter. If there's a rogue in the party who wants to hide during combat, I'll try to set up scenarios where it's possible sometimes. Just don't expect to hide behind the lone tree on an empty plain and attack from hidden more than once. You may not even get once if they saw you move behind the tree or are looking that direction in the first place. If there are guards at a door at the end of a long hallway with no other approach and the guards are alert, I'm sorry but I don't care how good you do on your stealth check they're going to see you when you peak around the corner unless you are invisible. On the other hand if they're guarding a door on a busy street you may be able to be hidden from them by firing from the roof. After that first time though they know there's a threat from the roof so you need to move to the alley. Maybe next round you can take advantage of the confusion or teleport to get over to the cart across the street. In other words, you need to be constantly changing position, approaching from an unexpected direction while the guard is being distracted by something else like that raging barbarian trying to chop their head off. At least that's how I run it. [/QUOTE]

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