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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 8065075" data-attributes="member: 7006">I'll agree with you both on the idea of needing to actually move away from where you went into cover as a valid extension of the hiding rules.&nbsp; As you say, it seems perfectly valid and logical to say you can't just duck behind a lone tree and then lean back out and shoot to get the advantage.&nbsp; I can go along with that idea, and in fact is something that I have also required of players and monsters in the past-- to move away from their initial position while out of line of sight to pop out in a new location to fire (for me, it's usually 10').That being said... especially when the encounters are outside or at longer ranges in the darkness outside of darkvision range, I've never even seen that be that much of a hardship for creatures to accomplish.&nbsp; So yeah... I myself find it perfect reasonable for monsters and/or PCs to duck behind some thick greenery or a rock wall... move their movement speed while behind cover, then pop up and fire from a new location and having that grant advantage.&nbsp; And have it happen fairly often in combats.But that doesn't bother me.&nbsp; And the reason why is because honestly?&nbsp; Attacking with advantage is not that big a deal.&nbsp; People fighting get advantage granted to them all the time.&nbsp; A Faerie Fire will grant advantage.&nbsp; Guiding Bolts will grant advantage.&nbsp; A barbarian with the Wolf Totem will grant advantage.&nbsp; Bunches of other abilities will grant advantage in all manner of combats.&nbsp; So for a rogue to get advantage on like 2/3rds of their bow attacks via Hiding?&nbsp; Pretty much par for the course if you ask me and nothing I feel like I need to stomp on.&nbsp; Especially considering all it is is two attack rolls together for the better chance to hit and thus trigger Sneak Attack... which exactly what rogues in melee combat get when they attack with two weapons.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 8065075, member: 7006"] I'll agree with you both on the idea of needing to actually move away from where you went into cover as a valid extension of the hiding rules. As you say, it seems perfectly valid and logical to say you can't just duck behind a lone tree and then lean back out and shoot to get the advantage. I can go along with that idea, and in fact is something that I have also required of players and monsters in the past-- to move away from their initial position while out of line of sight to pop out in a new location to fire (for me, it's usually 10'). That being said... especially when the encounters are outside or at longer ranges in the darkness outside of darkvision range, I've never even seen that be that much of a hardship for creatures to accomplish. So yeah... I myself find it perfect reasonable for monsters and/or PCs to duck behind some thick greenery or a rock wall... move their movement speed while behind cover, then pop up and fire from a new location and having that grant advantage. And have it happen fairly often in combats. But that doesn't bother me. And the reason why is because honestly? Attacking with advantage is not that big a deal. People fighting get advantage granted to them all the time. A Faerie Fire will grant advantage. Guiding Bolts will grant advantage. A barbarian with the Wolf Totem will grant advantage. Bunches of other abilities will grant advantage in all manner of combats. So for a rogue to get advantage on like 2/3rds of their bow attacks via Hiding? Pretty much par for the course if you ask me and nothing I feel like I need to stomp on. Especially considering all it is is two attack rolls together for the better chance to hit and thus trigger Sneak Attack... which exactly what rogues in melee combat get when they attack with two weapons. [/QUOTE]

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