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<blockquote data-quote="Darklone" data-source="post: 120701" data-attributes="member: 1372">Hmm Fireball at ground zeroWell. Example from my party. Character: Elf (dex 20), multiclassed rogue2/bard2... which means an effective Refl save +11. Against a lvl 6 sorcerer with Spell Focus evocation (Only corerule books till now).The DC for the save would be 19 or higher assuming a Cha of 18. Means the rogue or whatever saves with a 9 or higher. I wouldn't bet my live on it. One good hit could take you nearly out and burning clothes wouldn't help your invisibility...Consider this for a lvl4 rogue... With a puny +9 to reflex saves...My own lvl6 char had been fired several times with fireballs or lightning bolts (cast at lvl10). Sure he got evasion. But the fighter without evasion did better... Those extra hitpoints are more important, evasion is something that may save your day but don't rely on it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Darklone, post: 120701, member: 1372"] [b]Hmm Fireball at ground zero[/b] Well. Example from my party. Character: Elf (dex 20), multiclassed rogue2/bard2... which means an effective Refl save +11. Against a lvl 6 sorcerer with Spell Focus evocation (Only corerule books till now). The DC for the save would be 19 or higher assuming a Cha of 18. Means the rogue or whatever saves with a 9 or higher. I wouldn't bet my live on it. One good hit could take you nearly out and burning clothes wouldn't help your invisibility... Consider this for a lvl4 rogue... With a puny +9 to reflex saves... My own lvl6 char had been fired several times with fireballs or lightning bolts (cast at lvl10). Sure he got evasion. But the fighter without evasion did better... Those extra hitpoints are more important, evasion is something that may save your day but don't rely on it. [/QUOTE]

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