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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mach1.9pants" data-source="post: 4066761" data-attributes="member: 55946">Just comparing the Rogue 4E to SWSE to 3E (non-human):4E Rogue: No. of 4E skills: "Approximately the skill list is cut in half": 16?18?20?6 trained skills max (unless INT mod is added elsewhere)probably 1 feat = 1 more trained skill.therefore skilled in 6/16 or 37.5%therefore skilled in 6/18 or 33.3%therefore skilled in 6/20 or 30%SWSE Noble:No. of SWSE skills: 18 (+knowledge)6+INT trained skills max1 feat = 1 more class trained skill.(assuming INT bonus +2, the norm IME)therefore skilled in 8/18 or 44.5% known3E Rogue:No. of 3E skills: 31 (+craft, profession, perform, knowledge, speak language)8+INT maxed skills max1 feat = 5 skill points(assuming INT bonus +2, the norm IME)therefore skilled in 10/31 or 32.3%I know there are a lot of assumptions in there. However putting your Rogue points into useful skills (i.e. ignoring those 5 extra 3E skills) a 4E Rogue is not better off, overall, in skills than in 3E. He will be better in untrained skills yes, but his breadth of skills he is 'great' at seems to be similar or less.SO in conclusion, I really hope that you add the INT modifier to any desired trained skills. I always thought 3E didn't give the Rogue enough with 8/level (I house ruled 10) -I hope that 4E fixes that.</blockquote>