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<blockquote data-quote="mikebr99" data-source="post: 370986" data-attributes="member: 1377"><p><strong>Re: Summary</strong></p><p></p><p>This rule didn't make it into the final release of the ELH... So, it IS a house rule... though a good one. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p>Hiding IS a move equiv. action, that can combined with movement, or no movement at all. You cannot HIDE more then once per round... unless you are hasted, or using Spring attack.</p><p>This is correct... see MM.Also correct... see DR for an example of an SU ability that doesn't require any time at all to invoke... because it is always in effect.I would have to disagree with this... Hiding in plain sight can only be accomplished by an EPIC level Rogue (if they had left the blinkin' thing in the book!), at a -20 DC check. Non EPIC Rogues cannot do this at all. Even casual observation cancels out the hide chance. </p><p></p><p>The Shadowdancer's HIPS class ability allows a non-EPIC character to hide while being observed, before he has become an EPIC character... but still with the -20 DC check. </p><p></p><p>A normal Shadowdancer is simply given an EPIC ability before everyone else. One that is supernatural.</p><p></p><p>Now...</p><p></p><p>The HIPS class ability of the Shadowdancer is also a move equiv. action... even though it is an supernatural ability. The Shadows close to the Shadowdancer are helping him hide. It isn't something he has to decide to use or not, it just happens every time the SD hides.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mikebr99, post: 370986, member: 1377"] [b]Re: Summary[/b] This rule didn't make it into the final release of the ELH... So, it IS a house rule... though a good one. ;) Hiding IS a move equiv. action, that can combined with movement, or no movement at all. You cannot HIDE more then once per round... unless you are hasted, or using Spring attack. This is correct... see MM.Also correct... see DR for an example of an SU ability that doesn't require any time at all to invoke... because it is always in effect.I would have to disagree with this... Hiding in plain sight can only be accomplished by an EPIC level Rogue (if they had left the blinkin' thing in the book!), at a -20 DC check. Non EPIC Rogues cannot do this at all. Even casual observation cancels out the hide chance. The Shadowdancer's HIPS class ability allows a non-EPIC character to hide while being observed, before he has become an EPIC character... but still with the -20 DC check. A normal Shadowdancer is simply given an EPIC ability before everyone else. One that is supernatural. Now... The HIPS class ability of the Shadowdancer is also a move equiv. action... even though it is an supernatural ability. The Shadows close to the Shadowdancer are helping him hide. It isn't something he has to decide to use or not, it just happens every time the SD hides. [/QUOTE]
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