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<blockquote data-quote="Infiniti2000" data-source="post: 4102182" data-attributes="member: 31734">There is no &quot;rest of the creature.&quot;&nbsp; You're attacking the gullet.&nbsp; It's a specific part of the creature, not the creature.&nbsp; You're not attacking the creature through the gullet, via the gullet, or anything else along those lines.&nbsp; Any such implication is exactly that, an implication.&nbsp; It is not explicit and is nearly the point of debate here, so when you imply that kind of equivalence you're begging the question.&nbsp; Good point, but still insufficient.&nbsp; You've validly established that the interior of the creature has the same AC all around.&nbsp; That does not allow you to injure targets other than the one you're attacking.&nbsp; The Swallow Whole description is insufficient on its own, so let's take an example, the T-rex:A swallowed creature can cut its way out by using a light slashing or piercing weapon to deal 25 points of damage to the gizzard (AC 12). Once the creature exits, muscular action closes the hole; another swallowed opponent must cut its own way out.What I get from the above is that you attack the T-Rex's gizzard at AC 12 and once you deal 25 points of damage, you escape (with the hole closing).&nbsp; If you &quot;miss&quot; the gizzard (how you manage to do so is bizarre), then you do not get a second chance on the same attack roll for hitting the vital organs or other parts of the creature.I presume you agree so far?&nbsp; The extension to my last sentence is likely where you disagree: If you spectacularly hit the gizzard (i.e. crit) then you do not also get to attack the vital organs (using the same attack roll, so this corollary is valid).Let's take another example, the dire shark.&nbsp; Is the digestive tract (not even just a gullet or gizzard) a vital organ?&nbsp; Obviously, it can't be (at least not for the dire shark).&nbsp;Now, that's funny.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Infiniti2000, post: 4102182, member: 31734"] There is no "rest of the creature." You're attacking the gullet. It's a specific part of the creature, not [I]the[/I] creature. You're not attacking the creature through the gullet, via the gullet, or anything else along those lines. Any such implication is exactly that, an implication. It is not explicit and is nearly the point of debate here, so when you imply that kind of equivalence you're begging the question. Good point, but still insufficient. You've validly established that the interior of the creature has the same AC all around. That does not allow you to injure targets other than the one you're attacking. The Swallow Whole description is insufficient on its own, so let's take an example, the T-rex: [I][INDENT]A swallowed creature can cut its way out by using a light slashing or piercing weapon to deal 25 points of damage to the gizzard (AC 12). Once the creature exits, muscular action closes the hole; another swallowed opponent must cut its own way out.[/INDENT][/I] What I get from the above is that you attack the T-Rex's gizzard at AC 12 and once you deal 25 points of damage, you escape (with the hole closing). If you "miss" the gizzard (how you manage to do so is bizarre), then you do not get a second chance on the same attack roll for hitting the vital organs or other parts of the creature. I presume you agree so far? The extension to my last sentence is likely where you disagree: If you spectacularly hit the gizzard (i.e. crit) then you do not also get to attack the vital organs (using the same attack roll, so this corollary is valid). Let's take another example, the dire shark. Is the digestive tract (not even just a gullet or gizzard) a vital organ? Obviously, it can't be (at least not for the dire shark). Now, [I]that's [/I] funny. :lol: [/QUOTE]

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