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<blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 4109795" data-attributes="member: 3400">The Glossary covers this pretty reasonably.There are further elaborations on sized creatures and all that. Note that it does not say anything about being unable to make an attack into a square if that square is not threatened, as is the case when the character is unarmed and when the character is grappled. It does say typically, which not only suggests that most of the time the character does threaten any square into which it can make an attack, but also that there are cases where that does not hold (the atypical cases).The biggest problem I have with threatening being sufficient to define ability to make a melee attack is that the condition becomes circular. You threaten an area because you can make a melee attack there. Then, you can make a melee attack there because you threaten. Which is the chicken and which is the egg?The way I see things, you threaten an area if you can make a melee attack there... barring a few specific conditions (unarmed, grappled). Threatening enables you to make an AoO. Not threatening means you can't make an AoO, but it doesn't necessarily mean you can't make a melee attack on your own turn since there are those specific conditions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="billd91, post: 4109795, member: 3400"] The Glossary covers this pretty reasonably. There are further elaborations on sized creatures and all that. Note that it does not say anything about being unable to make an attack into a square if that square is not threatened, as is the case when the character is unarmed and when the character is grappled. It does say typically, which not only suggests that most of the time the character does threaten any square into which it can make an attack, but also that there are cases where that does not hold (the [i]atypical[/i] cases). The biggest problem I have with threatening being sufficient to define ability to make a melee attack is that the condition becomes circular. You threaten an area because you can make a melee attack there. Then, you can make a melee attack there because you threaten. Which is the chicken and which is the egg? The way I see things, you threaten an area if you can make a melee attack there... barring a few specific conditions (unarmed, grappled). Threatening enables you to make an AoO. Not threatening means you can't make an AoO, but it doesn't necessarily mean you can't make a melee attack on your own turn since there are those specific conditions. [/QUOTE]

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