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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1802685" data-attributes="member: 23094"><p>That is your own interpretation (and is probably even correct), however it is not specifically backed up by the rules as written (at least, not as they are presented in the SRD).</p><p></p><p>Specfically, read the rules I quoted above.</p><p></p><p>A quick summary:</p><p></p><p>1. A rogue may make a sneak attack whenever his opponent is denied his or her or its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class (even if it doesn't have one) <strong>or</strong> when the rogue is flanking the opponent.</p><p></p><p>2. The rules for flanking specify:</p><p> A. That you get a +2 flanking bonus on your attack roll when making a melee attack while flanking</p><p> B. You are flanking when "your opponent is threatened by a character or creature friendly to you on the opponent’s opposite border or opposite corner"</p><p></p><p>3. The rules for flanking do not specify that:</p><p> A. You must be wielding a melee weapon in order to flank yourself (you must, however, threaten in order to provide a flanking bonus to others);</p><p> B. You must make a melee attack in order to flank</p><p> C. You must make any attacks at all in order to provide any flanking bonuses</p><p></p><p>Therefore, if I am standing next to the troll and across from my warrior friend, I am flanking him.</p><p></p><p>Because the Sneak Attack rules do not specify that you must use a melee attack in order to make a Sneak Attack (in fact, it merely states that ranged attacks must be made within 30' in order to be a Sneak Attack), any attack made while flanking is a Sneak Attack.</p><p></p><p>Therfore, the only set of rules that can possibly rule this interpretation out are the rules on flanking. And, as I've pointed out, the only thing flanking has to say on the matter is that the +2 flanking bonus to attack rolls only applies to melee attacks.</p><p></p><p>So, unless the SRD dropped / changed the rules that state that you are only considered to be flanking a target when making a melee attack (and not merely that the bonus to attack rolls only applies when making a melee attack roll), then there is no RAW reason to deny the wand-wielding rogue his Sneak Attack.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So sayeth you. Prove it, sir! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah ah ah! There is the exception to that particular rule that states that activating a spell trigger item is the same as casting the spell with some exceptions (chiefly, no AoO for doing so). Under the casting a spell desciption, it describes which spells are eligble to do sneak attack damage, even though they aren't Melee or Ranged attacks using the Attack standard action.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 1802685, member: 23094"] That is your own interpretation (and is probably even correct), however it is not specifically backed up by the rules as written (at least, not as they are presented in the SRD). Specfically, read the rules I quoted above. A quick summary: 1. A rogue may make a sneak attack whenever his opponent is denied his or her or its Dexterity bonus to Armor Class (even if it doesn't have one) [b]or[/b] when the rogue is flanking the opponent. 2. The rules for flanking specify: A. That you get a +2 flanking bonus on your attack roll when making a melee attack while flanking B. You are flanking when "your opponent is threatened by a character or creature friendly to you on the opponent’s opposite border or opposite corner" 3. The rules for flanking do not specify that: A. You must be wielding a melee weapon in order to flank yourself (you must, however, threaten in order to provide a flanking bonus to others); B. You must make a melee attack in order to flank C. You must make any attacks at all in order to provide any flanking bonuses Therefore, if I am standing next to the troll and across from my warrior friend, I am flanking him. Because the Sneak Attack rules do not specify that you must use a melee attack in order to make a Sneak Attack (in fact, it merely states that ranged attacks must be made within 30' in order to be a Sneak Attack), any attack made while flanking is a Sneak Attack. Therfore, the only set of rules that can possibly rule this interpretation out are the rules on flanking. And, as I've pointed out, the only thing flanking has to say on the matter is that the +2 flanking bonus to attack rolls only applies to melee attacks. So, unless the SRD dropped / changed the rules that state that you are only considered to be flanking a target when making a melee attack (and not merely that the bonus to attack rolls only applies when making a melee attack roll), then there is no RAW reason to deny the wand-wielding rogue his Sneak Attack. So sayeth you. Prove it, sir! :D Ah ah ah! There is the exception to that particular rule that states that activating a spell trigger item is the same as casting the spell with some exceptions (chiefly, no AoO for doing so). Under the casting a spell desciption, it describes which spells are eligble to do sneak attack damage, even though they aren't Melee or Ranged attacks using the Attack standard action. [/QUOTE]
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