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sneak attack with ranged attack?
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<blockquote data-quote="Patryn of Elvenshae" data-source="post: 1804293" data-attributes="member: 23094"><p>I actually referenced that earlier, and asked if the actual text in the DMG / PHB was more specific.</p><p></p><p>The problem is that it specifies that you get a +2 flanking bonus on melee attacks when flanking.</p><p></p><p>It does not specifically define "flanking."</p><p></p><p>You can extrapolate from that to argue that "you are flanking only when you receive a flanking bonus to your attack roll." Using such a reading, the rogue does not get a Sneak Attack because he is making a ranged attack roll. Note, however, that this definition is <strong>not</strong> explicitly stated in the definition of flanking - the conditions under which you get a flanking bonus to your attack roll, however, are.</p><p></p><p>If the definition of flanking is, instead, "you are flanking whenever you threaten an opponent who is also threatened by an ally directly across from you [insert text about borders / corners]," then the rogue in this case *would* benefit from his Sneak Attack dice, sincethe requirements for a Sneak Attack are:</p><p></p><p>1a. Opponent is denied his or her or its Dexterity bonus; or,</p><p>1b. Opponent is flanked; and</p><p>2. If the attack to benefit from Sneak Attack dice is ranged, the distance to the target must be less than 30'</p><p></p><p>The situation - rogue with rapier and wand, fighter with sword, both threatening the troll on opposite sides - results in an opponent being flanked and a distance to the target of less than 30', and therfore is a Sneak Attack.</p><p></p><p>In other words, is there an official definition of flanking that mandates a melee attack, and that you are *only* flanking when making a melee attack?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Patryn of Elvenshae, post: 1804293, member: 23094"] I actually referenced that earlier, and asked if the actual text in the DMG / PHB was more specific. The problem is that it specifies that you get a +2 flanking bonus on melee attacks when flanking. It does not specifically define "flanking." You can extrapolate from that to argue that "you are flanking only when you receive a flanking bonus to your attack roll." Using such a reading, the rogue does not get a Sneak Attack because he is making a ranged attack roll. Note, however, that this definition is [b]not[/b] explicitly stated in the definition of flanking - the conditions under which you get a flanking bonus to your attack roll, however, are. If the definition of flanking is, instead, "you are flanking whenever you threaten an opponent who is also threatened by an ally directly across from you [insert text about borders / corners]," then the rogue in this case *would* benefit from his Sneak Attack dice, sincethe requirements for a Sneak Attack are: 1a. Opponent is denied his or her or its Dexterity bonus; or, 1b. Opponent is flanked; and 2. If the attack to benefit from Sneak Attack dice is ranged, the distance to the target must be less than 30' The situation - rogue with rapier and wand, fighter with sword, both threatening the troll on opposite sides - results in an opponent being flanked and a distance to the target of less than 30', and therfore is a Sneak Attack. In other words, is there an official definition of flanking that mandates a melee attack, and that you are *only* flanking when making a melee attack? [/QUOTE]
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