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<blockquote data-quote="MasterOfHeaven" data-source="post: 76569" data-attributes="member: 196">No, they are not.&nbsp; Rogues without the Sneak Attack ability are next to useless in combat.&nbsp; Put a Rogue in situations where he can't use Sneak Attack, like when fighting Undead or Constructs, or a monster with concealment, or someone with Fortified Armor, and so on, you'll find he generally just takes up space.&nbsp; Of course Rogues are better in melee than Wizards.&nbsp; That's because they don't have awesome attack and defense spells to make up for a major defiency in that area.&nbsp; Who needs to be proficient in melee when you can incinerate the enemy from hundreds of feet away?&nbsp; A Rogue without Sneak Attack is about as useful in combat as the NPC classes, perhaps less so.&nbsp; Yes, in social situations such a character would be of great use.&nbsp; However, whenever the party enters combat, is this character going to do anything other than stand around and try not to get killed?You do not seem to understand the idea of Sneak Attack.&nbsp; The idea is that a Rogue has trained in exactly how and where to hit a person when they are at a disadvantage (no Dexterity bonus to AC).&nbsp; A Sneak Attack is not a simple backstab, the idea is using your weapon to inflict damage on a particularly vulnerable area, like the throat or groin.&nbsp; That's all.&nbsp; And again, without that ability the Rogue class is mostly useless in combat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MasterOfHeaven, post: 76569, member: 196"] No, they are not. Rogues without the Sneak Attack ability are next to useless in combat. Put a Rogue in situations where he can't use Sneak Attack, like when fighting Undead or Constructs, or a monster with concealment, or someone with Fortified Armor, and so on, you'll find he generally just takes up space. Of course Rogues are better in melee than Wizards. That's because they don't have awesome attack and defense spells to make up for a major defiency in that area. Who needs to be proficient in melee when you can incinerate the enemy from hundreds of feet away? A Rogue without Sneak Attack is about as useful in combat as the NPC classes, perhaps less so. Yes, in social situations such a character would be of great use. However, whenever the party enters combat, is this character going to do anything other than stand around and try not to get killed? You do not seem to understand the idea of Sneak Attack. The idea is that a Rogue has trained in exactly how and where to hit a person when they are at a disadvantage (no Dexterity bonus to AC). A Sneak Attack is not a simple backstab, the idea is using your weapon to inflict damage on a particularly vulnerable area, like the throat or groin. That's all. And again, without that ability the Rogue class is mostly useless in combat. [/QUOTE]

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