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<blockquote data-quote="AFGNCAAP" data-source="post: 77021" data-attributes="member: 871">Regarding the absence of the bard due to their spellcasting abilities:First, I'd say that the bard would be better suited for this concept, &amp; the fact that the class can cast spells isn't really that bad of an issue.&nbsp; Why?Look at the bard's spell list.&nbsp; Supportive spells, primarily.&nbsp; No fireballs, no nagic missiles, no massively damaging spells.&nbsp; If you're still not happy with the bard spell list, then customize it so that it'll work better for you.&nbsp; More spells with maybe less visible effects than exploding balls of fire or blinding sprays of colored light.&nbsp; The DMG addresses this via the Witch class.Second, what exactly is the backstory for this diplomat?&nbsp; Why has he been selected to join the adventurers?&nbsp; If he's supposed to be able to live, deal, &amp; negotiate with barbarians in the wilderness, then maybe he should have some experience living in the field---better the chance for the barbarians to accept him &amp; thus listen to his point of view, etc.As to the high-magic orientation of D&amp;D---works great for some games, not so great for others.&nbsp; I think that if some information/rules for a 3E Lankhmar game were presented (a greatly low-magic setting in comparison w/ most D&amp;D settings), then that will provide better rules for a low-magic setting.&nbsp; I know that 2nd Ed. Lankhmar rules accounted for only white wizards/black wizards/elemental wizards as spellcasters---all other classes that had some spell abilities lost them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AFGNCAAP, post: 77021, member: 871"] Regarding the absence of the bard due to their spellcasting abilities: First, I'd say that the bard would be better suited for this concept, & the fact that the class can cast spells isn't really that bad of an issue. Why? Look at the bard's spell list. Supportive spells, primarily. No fireballs, no nagic missiles, no massively damaging spells. If you're still not happy with the bard spell list, then customize it so that it'll work better for you. More spells with maybe less visible effects than exploding balls of fire or blinding sprays of colored light. The DMG addresses this via the Witch class. Second, what exactly is the backstory for this diplomat? Why has he been selected to join the adventurers? If he's supposed to be able to live, deal, & negotiate with barbarians in the wilderness, then maybe he should have some experience living in the field---better the chance for the barbarians to accept him & thus listen to his point of view, etc. As to the high-magic orientation of D&D---works great for some games, not so great for others. I think that if some information/rules for a 3E Lankhmar game were presented (a greatly low-magic setting in comparison w/ most D&D settings), then that will provide better rules for a low-magic setting. I know that 2nd Ed. Lankhmar rules accounted for only white wizards/black wizards/elemental wizards as spellcasters---all other classes that had some spell abilities lost them. [/QUOTE]

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