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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Petrosian" data-source="post: 288012" data-attributes="member: 1149">[/B]</blockquote>See, maybe its just me, but i thought the complaint and balance question was in comparison to regular sneak attacks. From that perspective, the cases when no sneak attack is possible is rather irrelevent.Absolutely... and thats why in those cases you will prefer your bow. Since there is NO RULE saying "cannot have bow if you have wands" this is not a problem.Again, when comparing the two sneaks, the "no sneak possible" is a non-issue.See above."Can do soo much more" and "should expect to do soo much more" are night abd day. if all i ever rolled were 15-20 on my d20s, man what i could do. Against highly armored figures, the rogues hit chances vs that armor will be low. In those cases, the wand is a godsend.No sneak, not relevent.Let me get this straight... in a battkle where decent sized sneaks are being used, getting an enemy spellcaster to burn a spell against my and of ray of frost is a BAD thing? I can see it now, the party complaining because the wizard dispelled thr ray of frost instead of throwing the empowered fireball. This is hardship?when comparing *different* classes, one item taken in vacuum is utterly meaningless. How many feats are we talking? two for twf, a third for expert tactician, and a 20k-30k item. (Note that the ring of invis would only support ONE attack, not a full series of attacks in a round. So we are really talking ring of blinking which is the 30k and dont forget to add in the miss chance..)IMO, it boils down to this...375 gold for the ability to do in a standa action more damage than you should expect from your full atttack actions when fighting heavily armored foes is a VERY VERY VERY good deal. The only expense required beyond the 375 gold every few lvels is maxing your UMD... which is a serious gain in its own right.This seems like a really really good deal. Pocket change, for mid level guys, for a stronger option against the bricks.As a rogue, if i had an option of either a 50 +1 arrows or a ray of frost wand (with the understanding that you cannot get them by other means or sell them), i would take the latter. This tells me their relative value to me is not 2000 gold for the arrows vs 375 gold for the wand.As such, i can understand very easily why a Gm might have some serious balance concerns about this ruling.If you cannot, we have very different games.[/QUOTE]

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