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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jontherev" data-source="post: 291673" data-attributes="member: 1451">Wow, I'm not sure what I said that should illicit this type of inflammatory, arrogant reply from you, but whatever.  I'm talking about practically your entire reply, not the above.  You need to calm down a little there dude and open your mind a bit apparently.  My numbers don't lie either.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />Hold on a sec, this calls for another <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />.Realllllllly?  Wow, thanks for that bit of strategy there man.  Now, if I can just go back in time and adjust the strategy I used throughout my pc's history, I'm quite sure I would've had so much more fun.  My rogue did quite well meleeing most of the time.  Against armored foes, I did my fair share of damage (WHEN I could sneak attack) without your strategy.  In fact, imo, I did MORE damage than blasting one ray per round (I am rarely hasted...the wizards/clerics tend to haste themselves, and I save my money for things other than potions of haste).Looks like this is another job for.....Captain <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Yeah, it's cheap...so what?  I still like to go into melee.  Not only is it more effective imo, but also more fun.  I like the challenge, and it suits my pc more.  He enjoys mixing it up with the nasties in melee, even if he can't sneak attack.  Of course there are times he'd prefer not to go it alone in melee, like against things with a lot of attacks (hydras, dragons, etc.).  In those times, which is a rarity, he might fire off a ray or do something else.My halfling is level 12 and just acquired a 22 dex.  With Cat's Grace, which as a Temple Raider he can cast HIMSELF (thankyouverymuch<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />), he averages a +7 dex bonus much of the time.  Note, that he can scribe scrolls.Boy did you jump the gun and blast straight into the world of assumptions.  Is this arrogance really necessary?  I mean, really.Actually, no I wasn't adding Haste to the picture.  I merely said IF you added haste, the results would only favor my pc.  Especially when he adds more melee attacks at higher levels.  I won't bother with the math, because I know it's true.  And, I'm not sure if you even read my post now because I DID the math.  If you are referring to others, do so in a reply to someone else or at least clarify yourself. Our campaign, and many others, allow feats/spells from many or most of the official books.  I base this upon many posts that I read.  I'm referring to the splatbooks, MoF, FR, etc.  I could very well be wrong on this, but that's what I infer from a lot of threads.  *We* allow feats/spells from all of those I listed.  If that's overpowered to you or whatever, so be it.  I care not.  I am not catering my post to your specific campaign.I'm not up on those abilities (twinned/repeating), but I still wouldn't go for it.  That would make the wand a lot more expensive, and I'd prefer spending it elsewhere on wondrous items, armor, and weapons.  Wands eventually die.Yeah, what am I thinking, using magic items?  I must be insane to buy magic items that increase the power of my pc!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  I should be saving up for cursed items!!!You really are clueless about this.  You are being close-minded and arrogant simultaneously.  Don't make presumptions just because you can't imagine creating an interesting character that *just so happens* to have several classes.  If I was less secure in my ability to do this, I would post his background and describe why it is that he took his levels.  But I'm not, so I leave it as an exercise for the right brain.Wait right there, did you really type this?<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  Yeah, I know it's out of context, but just too funny to pass up.I submit that my campaign is like many campaigns.  We use the rules as written with very few changes.  Most of what we have, we find.  We do not get that much gold to buy stuff.  Oh, and thanks for paraphrasing me incorrectly.  My statement was referring to people like you, who jump the gun and start labeling others as munchkins because they have 3 or more classes, or only have 1 level in a class.  I thought it was pretty clear.  I didn't say you wouldn't have a clue about my campaign because it was SO different.  I even explained the probable difference in our campaign, that it was high magic...that we get more treasure than what is listed in the DMG.  I don't know HOW much more...I've never tried to compare.  Heck, maybe we DO for that matter, but my instinct tells me no.1.  Thanks.  That's actually sincere.  2.  I already covered that somewhat.  Until he reached 12th level, I actually didn't get the spell cast on me much unless I bought potions.  But, in many other parties, I'm sure the wizards and clerics can be more friendly.  My pc does have a 9 charisma, so that's one reason they hold back a little.  I tend to annoy them.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />I took out Haste for ease of calculations.  It wouldn't make much of a difference...especially at higher levels.True, in the first round I usually only get 2 attacks (Expert Tactician).  But, I'm just a wee halfling, so I don't look that threatening.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Again with the mis-paraphrase?Too lazy to run the numbers on that, but if you are right, I am still coming out ahead, so you just proved my point further.Tossed asunder?  In what way?  I'm still enjoying more damage output.Dude, just what is it that you misinterpreted so badly that gives you the notion that I think everyone is clueless?  That is sheer absurdity and a shameful misunderstanding of my post.  I was utterly shocked (and I've been on the board for a year now) when I read how nasty your reply was.  I rarely reply with such venom, and I am restraining myself.  I am just confused why you appear to be so angry by my post.  If I indeed said something that truly offended you, I would apologize.  However, I can't seem to find anything.  Can someone help me here?  I thought I was just giving an example of a pc USING THE RULES that shows how much more effective TWF is to rays.  Sure, our campaign might be slightly skewed because we get a few more magic items than other campaigns, but this is not the world of munchkinland.  If you played with us for a night, you would realize this.  I can only type so much.  You can make assumptions 'til the cows come home if that's what tickles your fancy, but I'm not going to spend all day explaining our campaign.Again with the arrogant sarcasm.  At this point, I am guessing you simply do not like me personally based upon the many posts I have made.  Why, I haven't a clue.  I don't believe I have ever flamed you before.  I am just guessing, because I can't figure out why someone would go off on me like this totally unprovoked.  That is, unless you are a troll who enjoys offending others because you have anonymity to protect you.  That's not an accusation, but an attempt to understand the vehemence of your reply.Um, see above.  The best weapon we have found is a +2 shocking burst exotic weapon that I can't remember the name of.  Most everyone else (besides the monk who took it) has +2 weapons, and a few +3.Well, being a RULES forum, many do not realize all of the weaknesses of sneak attack, particularly the repercussions of concealment.  I have seen it many times before.  You know Mr. P, you are not the only reader here, and you do not speak for everyone.  Try thinking of others besides yourself.You're welcome.  Thank you for your childish antics and totally unprovoked malevolence.As I will to you.  I believe I added much more to this discussion than you have, both in word count and substance.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  I am hoping your reply will be, "Sorry man, I was not only having a bad day, but completely misinterpreted your post."  It's a poor excuse still, but one which I hope to see from you.  If not, I certainly will avoid discussions with you in the future.  I have no need for this type of senseless negativity in my life.  Peace.To everyone else, sorry for the length and offtopic nature of this reply.  I felt it was necessary though.  Carry on.</blockquote>

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