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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LokiDR" data-source="post: 294752" data-attributes="member: 6239">The way that I believe an invisible attacker sneak attacking an oger should be.  Please note this example assumes that combat is already going.Rogue moves up invisible (no AOO)Rogue decides to stop to get full attacks next roundOgre stands stupidly (or does anything that is not moving)Rogue uses TWF or multi attacks from high bab   First, rogue uses his first attack, full sneak attack damage   Oger is denied dex.  He is not surprised or flat footed, by rules   Rogue uses next attack, no sneak attack damage, he's visibleOger hits rogueRogue tumbles awayThe rouge only gets sneak attack damage once, because his invis is gone when he takes that attack.  If the rogue runs after the first attack, he takes an AoO from the Oger with reach.  As soon as the rogue loses invis the Oger gets his dex and Sneak isn't possible, unless flanking.</blockquote>