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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 295429" data-attributes="member: 259">Okay, I've thought some about it, and I think there's a couple of different issues we're looking at.First, can a readied action go off in the middle of someone else's action?All the examples I can find in the PHB and DMG allow this.&nbsp; -Mialee readies an action to &quot;cast charm person spell at the first hobgoblin to come within 25 feet&quot;.&nbsp; This is triggered part of the way through the hobgoblin's charge; after the readied action goes off, the hobgoblin continues moving. (p134 PhB)-Tordek readies an action to &quot;strike any foe who comes into the area he threatens.&quot;&nbsp; One of the charging hobgoblins finishes the movement part of the charge, and before the hob can attack, Tordek drops him. (ibid)-&quot;I shoot the first enemy that comes through the door&quot; is acceptable (DMG, p64).&nbsp; Note that, to come through the door, the enemy must open the door (MEA) and move at least 5 feet (move action).-Disrupting spellcasting definitely happens in the middle of an action -- after it's begun, but before it's completed.So we've seen the interruption of a charge, of a move, and of a spellcasting.&nbsp; In all these cases, the readied action goes off at some point after the triggering event begins but before it ends.&nbsp; In the case of the charge, we see that we can choose at what point during the action we want to interrupt things:&nbsp; Mialee interrupts it when the charger is 25' away, and Tordek interrupts it when the charger is 5' away but hasn't yet attacked.We also see that it can be the result of, not merely the intent of, an action that triggers a readied action.&nbsp; Tordek wasn't interested in whether a hobgoblin was TRYING to charge him; he was only interested in whether some action an enemy took brought it into the area he threatened.&nbsp; Neither one mentioned the specific action (i.e., charging) that resulted in the conditions for their triggers' being met.Given that, Artoomis, I really am confused where you get the idea that partial actions must come entirely before the action that triggers it.&nbsp;&nbsp; I also don't get where you say that it's actions, not conditions, that must trigger a readied action.The only thing I can see on your side of the argument is the phrase that &quot;the partial action comes before the action that triggers it.&quot;&nbsp; I think that would more precisely read, &quot;the partial action is resolved before the end of the action that triggers it.&quot;&nbsp; Further, I think it's really in there to clarify what happens to the readier's initiative in subsequent rounds.Interpreting it the way you seem to be interpreting it makes the examples not work.&nbsp; Daniel</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 295429, member: 259"] Okay, I've thought some about it, and I think there's a couple of different issues we're looking at. First, can a readied action go off in the middle of someone else's action? All the examples I can find in the PHB and DMG allow this. -Mialee readies an action to "cast charm person spell at the first hobgoblin to come within 25 feet". This is triggered part of the way through the hobgoblin's charge; after the readied action goes off, the hobgoblin continues moving. (p134 PhB) -Tordek readies an action to "strike any foe who comes into the area he threatens." One of the charging hobgoblins finishes the movement part of the charge, and before the hob can attack, Tordek drops him. (ibid) -"I shoot the first enemy that comes through the door" is acceptable (DMG, p64). Note that, to come through the door, the enemy must open the door (MEA) and move at least 5 feet (move action). -Disrupting spellcasting definitely happens in the middle of an action -- after it's begun, but before it's completed. So we've seen the interruption of a charge, of a move, and of a spellcasting. In all these cases, the readied action goes off at some point after the triggering event begins but before it ends. In the case of the charge, we see that we can choose at what point during the action we want to interrupt things: Mialee interrupts it when the charger is 25' away, and Tordek interrupts it when the charger is 5' away but hasn't yet attacked. We also see that it can be the result of, not merely the intent of, an action that triggers a readied action. Tordek wasn't interested in whether a hobgoblin was TRYING to charge him; he was only interested in whether some action an enemy took brought it into the area he threatened. Neither one mentioned the specific action (i.e., charging) that resulted in the conditions for their triggers' being met. Given that, Artoomis, I really am confused where you get the idea that partial actions must come entirely before the action that triggers it. I also don't get where you say that it's actions, not conditions, that must trigger a readied action. The only thing I can see on your side of the argument is the phrase that "the partial action comes before the action that triggers it." I think that would more precisely read, "the partial action is resolved before the end of the action that triggers it." Further, I think it's really in there to clarify what happens to the readier's initiative in subsequent rounds. Interpreting it the way you seem to be interpreting it makes the examples not work. Daniel [/QUOTE]

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