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<blockquote data-quote="szilard" data-source="post: 4048875" data-attributes="member: 40730">I guess my point was that a Beguiler has all&nbsp; of these:Pros:- Able to move around like a rogue (sneak, tumble, etc.)- Able to cast a lot of illusions- Able to operate independently- Survivable AC- Full caster level(without using a feat for Master Spellthief)and, with respect to your Cons:- Low hit pointsBeguiler is better off than a Spellthief/Illusionist- Unable to do any real damageAbout the same (depending on Illusionist spell choices)- Only 1d6 SASpellthief has the advantage here.- Not very useful against anything that isn't livingMany illusion spells work.- Lacks higher level spellsNot a problem for a beguiler.- Terribly low save DCsDefinitely not a problem for a Beguiler.-Stuart</blockquote>

[QUOTE="szilard, post: 4048875, member: 40730"] I guess my point was that a Beguiler has all of these: Pros: - Able to move around like a rogue (sneak, tumble, etc.) - Able to cast a lot of illusions - Able to operate independently - Survivable AC - Full caster level (without using a feat for Master Spellthief) and, with respect to your Cons: - Low hit points Beguiler is better off than a Spellthief/Illusionist - Unable to do any real damage About the same (depending on Illusionist spell choices) - Only 1d6 SA Spellthief has the advantage here. - Not very useful against anything that isn't living Many illusion spells work. - Lacks higher level spells Not a problem for a beguiler. - Terribly low save DCs Definitely not a problem for a Beguiler. -Stuart [/QUOTE]

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